Helping Police Keenspace?

RemusShepherd · Post by **RemusShepherd** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 2:00 pm

I really don't want to cause trouble.

But when I see something that looks plain wrong, I feel the urge to do something about it. If an admin tells me to shut up and let them handle it, I will understand perfectly and take no offense.

When Rkolter started doing a statistical analysis of comics in the Guide, it caught my interest -- maybe because I'm a physicist and math-minded. So I started looking closer at the Guide. And, well, some things just do not look right.

Take one egregious example -- kaffimotta.keenspace.com. It has no updates, yet is ranked #57. If you go to the site and choose the 'P0rn' link, it apparently has folders devoted to anal and child porn. I didn't delve further than that, as I'm on my PC at work. (And frankly, I don't want to download them at home.)

This, uh, isn't a comic. There are other strange things in the guide, although I haven't found any as blatant as that.

Should I be bringing this to someone's attention? Is pointing out things like this helpful or unwanted? Would a detailed statistical analysis of the Guide, pointing out some of the anomalies, be welcomed or would it just piss people off?

I feel like I just joined a gated community, and there's a gang rape on the street corner, and I don't know if I should call the guards or shrug and figure that they'll handle it.

Phalanx · Post by **Phalanx** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 2:21 pm

Something's just recently gone wrong with the guide, I think. This is NOT a normal occurence.

If you find something not right, please don't hesistate to point it out. or to report it in the forums. I'm sure Kelly wouldn't mind exercising his orbital lance, and as Keenspace is huge, two admins can't see everything.

Many thanks.

Faub · Post by **Faub** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 2:29 pm

http://uwakimono.keenspace.com/

There are "comics" like little white lie that aren't really comics but they're comic related. For the longest time I couldn't figure out why this one was on page 3 of the guide. Turns out it's an art site for Sexy Losers that hard used until he apparently moved it to slipshine (according to sexylosers.com). This site has never been "updated" and its main page has no links to the artwork but it has a fairly large archive of artwork on it that you could find through the sexy losers main site. It's all porn too but then so is Sexy Losers so I don't see a problem.

If the comic has little to nothing to do with the artwork, for example, somebody drew up 20 stick figure comics so they could host their porn, I would call that a problem and you should inform the admins anytime you find it because that's a breach of contract.

Phalanx · Post by **Phalanx** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 2:34 pm

Just talked to Kelly. He says that site is going down. I checked out the site. I see no comics to speak of. Site was being used as a file host.

Thanks for the tip, Remus.

Risky · Post by **Risky** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 3:35 pm

RemusShepherd wrote:I feel like I just joined a gated community, and there's a gang rape on the street corner, and I don't know if I should call the guards or shrug and figure that they'll handle it.

sun by ster3o ...
TERMINATED FOR TOS VIOLATIONS!
This account is now locked. sun was hosted on Keenspace, a free webhosting and site automation service for webcomics.

Bwahaha.... you're awesome, Remus. Go Admins and Wranglers tambien.

RemusShepherd · Post by **RemusShepherd** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 5:03 pm

Well, glad I was able to help. But, boy...it looks like a cockroach nest in there.

I think, for my sanity, I'm going to look at the Guide only sparingly from now on.

Devynci · Post by **Devynci** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 6:43 pm

TERMINATED FOR TOS VIOLATIONS!

OWNED!

Post by **STrRedWolf** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 9:58 pm

faub wrote:http://uwakimono.keenspace.com/

There are "comics" like little white lie that aren't really comics but they're comic related. For the longest time I couldn't figure out why this one was on page 3 of the guide. Turns out it's an art site for Sexy Losers that hard used until he apparently moved it to slipshine (according to sexylosers.com). This site has never been "updated" and its main page has no links to the artwork but it has a fairly large archive of artwork on it that you could find through the sexy losers main site. It's all porn too but then so is Sexy Losers so I don't see a problem.

If the comic has little to nothing to do with the artwork, for example, somebody drew up 20 stick figure comics so they could host their porn, I would call that a problem and you should inform the admins anytime you find it because that's a breach of contract.

I now call that "A dump site". It's a TOS violation. And it's gone.

I initally disabled the other site. I'm going to fully nuke it now.

Hard · Post by **Hard** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 12:04 am

Your <A HREF="http://siteadmin.keenspace.com/cgi-bin/ ... cgi">Terms of Service</A>.

I have nothing other than JPEG/GIF and HTML files on the site. The JPEG/GIFs are all comic images created by me. Each HTML file has a Keenspace ad according to your TOS #2. There are no images that do not have an HTML, and nothing but Keenspace-ad-HTML files are linked outside the site.

Please explain how my site is a dump site for "non-comic" files, and explain how my site violates the ToS.

Tovias · Post by **Tovias** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 5:25 am

I've got a couple things to talk on today; I'll try to be brief, though I'm not known for this trait.

1. I've had questions concerning the TOS (about a year ago). I initially thought that the page hard linked to above was more of a 'contract' agreement type document between the cartoonist and Keen, and that an actual TOS with more clearly delineated terms was elsewhere. I found that this was not the case, but I still feel that it should be.

2. I've been on Keenspace since September-ish of 2003. In that time I've not been consistent in posting and have done all of the things that one does to make one's strip a failure. Okay, no problem. I've watched my site ride the roller coaster on the guide, getting as high as #63 on page 6, and now as low as page 44. I would definitely like to see my site higher on the list. To do this I know that I have to work hard, put out a quality comic and advertise.

Fine, but I would also like a level playing field. I have a hard time believing that comics with 0 posts and nothing on their site are getting better page views/ad views than I am. I find it hard to believe that a site with TWO half-drawn crayon strips that hasn't updated in three years is doing better than me.

"Boo-hoo-hoo, poor little me" you may be thinking, but I feel that we are all hurt and the continued public image of "Keenspace is crap 'cause it's free

Phalanx · Post by **Phalanx** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 6:14 am

I think it's already been mentioned elsewhere in this forum. The Guide is currently malfunctioning and we cannot do anything about it, because the person who wrote it (Kisai) is currently on vacation.

It'll be fixed as soon as Kisai gets back, but this uneven ranking IS NOT NORMAL, has been going on for about two days, and the guide has not always been like it currently is.

You're not the only one complaining. We're all not happy at the state of things either, but fact remains I can't do anything (I have no access to the server, and no idea what to do with it if I did) while Kelly can't touch the guide either, which means it can't get fixed until the one person who can fix this gets back from holiday.

Dburkhead · Post by **Dburkhead** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 6:32 am

Let me piggy-back on here with a TOS question.

On my own comic site, I've got the comic itself and its archives. I've also got a link page to other webcomics that I follow (copied from a similar link page on my personal homepage). In addition, I've got a "gallery" page that includes some of my artwork not directly related to my comic. Is this a problem wrt the Terms of Service? If it is, I can take the problematic parts out.

Phalanx · Post by **Phalanx** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 8:26 am

There's obviously a clear difference between putting up an art gallery for your comics and putting up a few stick figure comics to justify a gallery full of unrelated stuff.

By most standards though, I should think you should be fine.

Dburkhead · Post by **Dburkhead** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 8:30 am

I just wanted to make sure. I like this place and I appreciate the work our illustrious sysadmins do. I'd rather be part of the solution than part of the problem. (Thus, if there is a problem. please tell me and I'll do my best to fix it.)

Post by **STrRedWolf** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 8:47 am

I can't see nuking a comic where most of the content is the comic.

Just make sure I (and the public in general) can eazily access your links pages and galleries via the front page. You can pull a "GPF" and send folks to "gateway" pages before the galleries et all, but don't make it too deep or I'll be thinking that you have something to hide.

Faub · Post by **Faub** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 11:01 am

faub wrote:http://uwakimono.keenspace.com/

There are "comics" like little white lie that aren't really comics but they're comic related. For the longest time I couldn't figure out why this one was on page 3 of the guide. Turns out it's an art site for Sexy Losers that hard used until he apparently moved it to slipshine (according to sexylosers.com). This site has never been "updated" and its main page has no links to the artwork but it has a fairly large archive of artwork on it that you could find through the sexy losers main site. It's all porn too but then so is Sexy Losers so I don't see a problem.

If the comic has little to nothing to do with the artwork, for example, somebody drew up 20 stick figure comics so they could host their porn, I would call that a problem and you should inform the admins anytime you find it because that's a breach of contract.

I would like to say that I was trying to point out http://uwakimono.keenspace.com/ as a GOOD example of a comic that shows as never having been updated but is still listed high in the guide. I did not realize there was actually a comic in there but I knew that hard did all his own HTML because Sexy Losers never "updated" either.

The Last updated link on the guide only works if autokeen is doing the updating. This is NOT a requirement on Keenspace. If a comic doesn't "update" and you find comics, that doesn't mean there's something funny going on. It means the author has decided not to take advantage of autokeen for any number of reasons. In hard's case, autokeen didn't allow for the multiple storyline links. It's not a requirement to use autokeen and certainly should not be requirement in the future.

Risky · Post by **Risky** » Thu Mar 10, 2005 5:48 pm

faub wrote: The Last updated link on the guide only works if autokeen is doing the updating. This is NOT a requirement on Keenspace. If a comic doesn't "update" and you find comics, that doesn't mean there's something funny going on. It means the author has decided not to take advantage of autokeen for any number of reasons. In hard's case, autokeen didn't allow for the multiple storyline links. It's not a requirement to use autokeen and certainly should not be requirement in the future.

I agree that autokeen should not be a requirement, especially nowadays. There used to be other options for those that just wanted free comic "space", and not the autokeen system, but those have fallen by the wayside (ie don't exist anymore).

However, it is possible to interpret the old TOA (as in, yesterday's TOA) as requiring autokeen, since autokeen is an integral part of the "guide" system, and the "guide" system is promotional in nature, and correctly using the promotional system is required by the TOA... after interpretation.

If someone like Clay was asking for advice about keeping a site like his off of the "naughty list", I would have suggested running one storyline through Autokeen, and running the others manually. Even if he didn't, I certainly would have suggested putting something on the front page that indicated the intent of the site, as well as how to access it.

Island Pages should be avoided, and should be used only for various administrative and bonus purposes, IMHO. The whole site should not be islanded off from the index.

Well, my cents are covering this place like skunk scents at this point.

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