Creative Commons

Mr.Bob · Post by **Mr.Bob** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 3:42 am

Evil Jamie! wrote:I feel pretty much the same as War.

Ditto.

Evil Jamie! · Post by **Evil Jamie!** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 3:51 am

Damnit man, this isn't a thread about Pokemon, you know!

PinDummy · Post by **PinDummy** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 4:16 am

It isn't?

Jops · Post by **Jops** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 4:39 am

I don't mind other saving my comic on a CD or printing it (as long as it's for their own personal use). I don't mind people posting in a forum some of my comics saying "look at this".
I woldn't like people editing and modifing my works without my prior permission, that would upset me a bit.

I definitely don't like people who're trying to use my works to get fame and fortune (it's really unlikely to happen, i know). I'd fight those people even if it'd would cost me lots of money.

I can understand people doing mistakes or doing something illegal beliveing they weren't causing any harm, but when people aren't in good faith... then i'll show no mercy.

Rkolter · Post by **Rkolter** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 5:05 am

When all is said and done, my comic is my creative work, and I should have the right to decide how it's released, in what format, and in what context.

I've always figured, 'Feel free to use it so long as you give credit where due' was good enough though. But that's by personal choice. Even if I don't use it, I want the right to put my comics off limits anywhere but from my site.

If someone copied and modified my comic, I'd be ticked. If they said they did the comic, I'd be ticked. If they started publishing it without my permission, I'd be ticked. In all the above cases, if they linked back to the site and instead gave me credit for doing the comic, I'd be less ticked.

I don't like Comixpedia because it doesn't limit itself - if the program sought out an 'ok' file and downloaded the comic if that file was present, then I'd be happy with it. But the fact that it's basically designed to swipe the comic off your site without your permission, removing it from it's context, sucks and smells of copyright violation.

At the end of the day, the person who did the work should be able to decide how the work is displayed, where it is displayed, and in what context it is displayed. If their decision is to make it public domain, that's great - but it should be their decision, not a decision made by someone else.

RPin · Post by **RPin** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 11:02 am

Am I the only one who chose "Do as you will but say where it comes from."?

I've been thinking some more about this, and there's a reason why I won't release the copyrights for Alex and Ilia.

It has nothing to do with money or pride. It's just, I don't see how people would benefit from this. Having read about the mission of Creative Commons, I've learned that their main goal isn't provide free-for-use images or songs or whatever to whoever wants to use it.

Their main goal, which is WONDERFUL (I advice you all to read it) is to incentivate other people's creativity, by exchanging ideas without the fear of a copyright lawsuit. If I can change your work to make it better, or use yours to make mine better, we both can win something out of this, and that something is the quality of our work.

I must say, I was taken aback by this. I'm all for incentivating other people's works with my own creativity. We happen to forget where creativity comes form. It doesn't sprout out of nowhere, creativity is a process you learn by having contact with as many different works as you can. And Creative Commons is definitely a step into the right direction.

Back to A&I, I don't see the point of releasing the copyrights because... I just don't see how people can grow creatively by working with my comic. It's not a masterpiece of creativity, and most certainly not even creative in many ways. My comic still has a lot of room to grow, but it's a closed story. It's the kind of thing that could only rise fanfic at best. And fanfics are not the kind of thing I look for when I say creative maturity.

Am I too boring today? I love talking about this!

McDuffies · Post by **McDuffies** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 11:57 am

My take:

Allowed: Read them on site, save them from site, burn them on CD, keep them on HD, print them in one copy for personal enjoyment. I don't think this hurts keenspace's rights, it may even help.
Use an image on other site but ask me first. I'll probably say 'yes'. If someone used my image on his page without asking, I would be annoyed, not so much for taking my image, as much as for being too lazy or ignorant to ask me.
Use it on forums without asking me, since I consider forum talk private conversations.

No: Earn money by selling copies or CDs.
Steal bandwith from my server.
If you wanna print it in magazine, ask me first, so I can judge (based on professional level of your magazine) if it's ok to give them images for free. And if I agree, I expect free copy. (If anyone ever asks to print your work but denies you a free copy, fuck him of as rudely as you can)
Point of this is, I don't think professional level of my work on mcDuffies is very high. That's why I'm ready to give it for free in the first place. But if some big magazine editor thinks that it's pro enough to be published in his magazine, that gives me bazis to reconsider my wiev.

I guess I'm not strongly oposed to changing my images as long as it's not insulting for me. And I's still keep copyrights on them.

As for public domain, I think it's ok that it gets free after 70 years. As for now, I want to keep it, just in case.
I might submit my Do it yourself templates. It will be interesting.

Dan Nicholls · Post by **Dan Nicholls** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 1:41 pm

rkolter wrote: I don't like Comixpedia because it doesn't limit itself - if the program sought out an 'ok' file and downloaded the comic if that file was present, then I'd be happy with it. But the fact that it's basically designed to swipe the comic off your site without your permission, removing it from it's context, sucks and smells of copyright violation.

You mean Comictastic, right?

Post by **Mercury Hat** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 1:42 pm

Bazis is one of the best typos ever.

Toxic · Post by **Toxic** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 2:01 pm

That reminds me, I want to actually copyright my comic when I turn 18. Not that anyone has tried to steal my stuff (why would anyone want to?), but I've always wanted to hold a copyright.

Dan Nicholls · Post by **Dan Nicholls** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 2:02 pm

You technically own one now, so you know.

According to copyright law, you own your copyright, though any proceeds legally have to be via guardian, I believe.

Ratbert · Post by **Ratbert** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 4:04 pm

Hmmm. Interesting. Am I the only one who sees the possibility of someone copying your work as flattery?

Gage Kronos · Post by **Gage Kronos** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 4:09 pm

No, I'd be pretty flattered if someone actually felt that my work was good enough that they wanted to copy it...at least for a few seconds. Then I'd likely be pissed that they either didn't bother asking me first, are taking credit for MY creations, and/or selling my stuff for their own profit. Damn it, if my work is good enough for people to pay for it...I'll sell it myself when I get around to it.

Faub · Post by **Faub** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 6:35 pm

Toxic Avenger: poke around Okie's link and you'll find the steps to reigster your copyright. $30 gives you the right to sue anyone who verifiably steals your work. Be sure to follow the mandatory submission to the Library of Congress, though. If you're going to inform them that you exist, don't give them ammo to use against you.

Sigh. What do they call it? A litigious society? I liked the idea of the 60s, you know. It would have been nice to be a hippie.

I'm really surprised so many people have opted to take their comics to their graves with them. I can understand not wanting to turn the story over to someone else but what about fanfics bothers you? Maybe I'm just the type of kid who throws rocks in the pond just to see how the frogs react but if I finally got enough of my comic out there I would be interested to see how other people interpreted my vision.

Sortelli · Post by **Sortelli** » Wed Mar 24, 2004 7:21 pm

I love getting fan art from people who draw my characters differently or throw in cool little gags and such. Guest strips are fun, and cameos or allusions in other comics are great. They also all pretty much fall into my understanding of fair parody.

But there's a point where someone taking what you've done and injecting themselves into it becomes parasitic instead of flattering. A full blown fanfic, or the people who act like they could just step in and do my own comic for me, or guys that I've never met who send me awful MS Paint scribbles and ask me to run it as a "guest comic" with a link exchange... that's pretty obnoxious.

I think the biggest reason I get defensive about it is that these days people are more interested in screwing artists because it's easier and faster to steal things on the internet than it is to pay for them fairly. People rationalize downloading music, and all of a sudden something like the comic ripper comes along and people say "It's the same thing! How can I agree that it's wrong to rip comics if it's not wrong to rip music?"

McDuffies · Post by **McDuffies** » Thu Mar 25, 2004 3:27 am

Ratbert wrote:Hmmm. Interesting. Am I the only one who sees the possibility of someone copying your work as flattery?

Yes, I do, but it's not a good kind of flattery. Strange really, if someone likes comic but still doesn't care about it's author.

KittyKatBlack · Post by **KittyKatBlack** » Thu Mar 25, 2004 3:53 am

Ratbert wrote:Hmmm. Interesting. Am I the only one who sees the possibility of someone copying your work as flattery?

Well, seeing as how most of the New Traditionalists is mostly copied from other people's stuff and recomposed in a humorous fashion, I'm not surprised you feel that way.

Rkolter · Post by **Rkolter** » Thu Mar 25, 2004 5:43 am

Dan Nicholls wrote:
rkolter wrote: I don't like Comixpedia because it doesn't limit itself - if the program sought out an 'ok' file and downloaded the comic if that file was present, then I'd be happy with it. But the fact that it's basically designed to swipe the comic off your site without your permission, removing it from it's context, sucks and smells of copyright violation.
You mean Comictastic, right?

Yeah, brain fart. *Pfffffiisshhhhhh*

RPin · Post by **RPin** » Thu Mar 25, 2004 9:37 am

Oh, by the way, faub, Empty Words wasn't released on public domain.

It's licensed under a Creative Common license, where he gets to keep only some rights reserved, instead of all rights reserved.

He only grants you the right to copy and distribute his work, as long as you give him credit, don't use it for commercial purposes and don't alter or transform it.

KittyKatBlack · Post by **KittyKatBlack** » Thu Mar 25, 2004 9:41 am

About some comments you made about making Alex and llia public domain. I don't think you should ever consider giving up characters you created and are attached to to the public domain. You can submit images for use in the public domain. Actually, I was thinking about creating a set of RPGMaker2k/2k3 facesets and submit them to public domain, but I dunno. Might not happen until I'm more confident in my artistic abilities, but I know how hard it is to find decent facesets for RPGMaker.

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