Had me going there, for a moment...

Had me going there, for a moment...

Postby Rennen on Fri Nov 15, 2002 1:46 am

... And then I realized, I don't have any flour.

Have you been peeking into my kitchen? If so, please note that my fuzzy unidentifiable thing squeaks lightly when you bap it with a spoon.

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Postby Dylar on Fri Nov 15, 2002 3:25 am

No fuzzy unidentifiable things in my kitchen; I know exactly what kind of fungus they've turned into! :D

On another note, doesn't Sybil look really good!?
The care in her eyes as she comforts Alex, her stance. Well captured.
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Postby ZOMBIE USER 6611 on Fri Nov 15, 2002 9:13 am

I am pleased to see James Roberts still cooking up new ideas. ;)
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Postby Matt Trepal on Fri Nov 15, 2002 2:41 pm

You've captured the essence of batchelor cooking. Yes, that milk carton brings home many memories. All of them chunky and foul-smelling.

I like the cross-hatching, it's quite well done, although I think the greyscale techniques you otherwise use add a certain character to the strip, adding to its atmosphere and tone.

And I agree with Dylar, I think Sybil came out excellently!
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Postby JimRob on Fri Nov 15, 2002 3:23 pm

Well, I have slightly changed the way I draw eyes. That's the only thing other than momentary felicity which might account for it.

I enjoy doing cross-hatching, and would've done so more liberally (perhaps might next week) if it hadn't been half-past-twelve by the time I'd finished inking the outlines. It is rather influenced by Edward Gorey, as Tim said in another thread, although I don't think I'd take it to the extraordinary lengths he did in things like The West Wing. And the smoke and the unidentifiable thing were equally fun to draw: broad impressionistic brushstrokes aplenty.
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Postby ZOMBIE USER 8454 on Fri Nov 15, 2002 4:29 pm

what is that in the first panel, a plate of beans? bravo on the improvements, by the way... this strip was a real breath of fresh air. i was pleasantly unprepared for the way you did the smoke. and the arrows caused me to laugh.

question. how large do you draw the originals?
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Postby Hortmage on Fri Nov 15, 2002 6:06 pm

Capital job, James, truly capital! Pip pip, and all that rot...

I thought it was my imagination, that Sybil did look extra good in today's strip. I'm glad you mentioned the eyes, James -- I went back to a few of the older strips, and there's a definite difference; nay, a definite improvement, in the characters' appearances.

I remember, long ago, my discomfort in a kitchen being close to Alex's. Of course, I never set anything on fire (in the kitchen, anyway...my magic room is a different story, though.... :wink: ) The first time I baked bread from scratch was a true experience... I could have used the results to brick up the hole in Alex's wall! :roll:
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Postby Rennen on Fri Nov 15, 2002 8:48 pm

I'm reminded of the old Naked Gun movie with Leslie Neilsen. The female lead is over visiting, and during a wholly pointless conversation. she's poking through Drebin's fridge.

She picks up a chinese take-out container and says something like "Wang's? I thought they closed down three years ago."

Frank replies: "What? Let me see that."

At which point, naturally, he opens it, sniffs, crosses his eyes and collapses.

Now personally, I haven't quite made three years....

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Postby Tek Roo on Sat Nov 16, 2002 2:20 am

Matt Trepal wrote:You've captured the essence of batchelor cooking. Yes, that milk carton brings home many memories. All of them chunky and foul-smelling.


That would be the primary reason that the only milk in my kitchen is of the dried variety. Of course, this means that I never prepare any meal that calls for more than trace amounts of milk, as the flavour and smell of dried milk is nastier than that of the old, curdled, liquid variety. If I do need significant quantities of milk, I plan ahead, buy a fresh batch, then throw the leftover milk away the moment I'm finished with it.
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Postby Tarliman on Sat Nov 16, 2002 2:21 am

Not as incomprehensible to those of us 'cross the Pond, unfamiliar with British cinema, as the previous bit. Been there, briefly, but live here, alas. Especially in these current days, alas. But that's another thread.

Never had Alex's experience cooking, having been trained from an early age by a Mum expectant that her offspring would not have to marry straight away to survive. Done a lot of cooking for single friends who hadn't learned basic survival skills, however, and been bemused by the war stories that emerged from their respective kitchens.

The technical-manual style, with the arrows and all, struck home nicely. Being a technical writer, I find it amusing when the styles I work with professionally are absconded with for the purpose of entertainment.

Bravo. Always good to get to Friday and find a new installment. The humor, often sardonic or underplayed, with tones of finding the humor in an otherwise challenging situation, appeals to me so much more than strips where the punchline is delivered with a rimshot and a smirk. When's the book coming out?
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Postby JimRob on Sat Nov 16, 2002 4:24 am

PROKOFIEV2000 wrote:question. how large do you draw the originals?

They're usually 40 cm (15.75 inches) wide, and each panel's 12.5 cm (4.9 inches) high.

Tarliman wrote:Never had Alex's experience cooking, having been trained from an early age by a Mum expectant that her offspring would not have to marry straight away to survive. Done a lot of cooking for single friends who hadn't learned basic survival skills, however, and been bemused by the war stories that emerged from their respective kitchens.

Well, as I speak the college hostel I live in is suffering from a blown fuse caused by someone who will remain nameless attempting to fill a kettle by plunging it into water. The fuse happened to supply two fridges. (Thankfully not in the kitchen I myself use... but, as if to compensate, someone's spilled some aged noodles across the floor of that one. And my cooking pan's full of dried fudge. And so on.)
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Postby Gloria on Sat Nov 16, 2002 4:12 pm

JimRob wrote:
PROKOFIEV2000 wrote:question. how large do you draw the originals?

They're usually 40 cm (15.75 inches) wide, and each panel's 12.5 cm (4.9 inches) high.


Holy... No wonder they look so good. You're doing it like a PRO!

Now me, I don't OWN any paper that large, so my dailies are, like,
8" wide x 3.5" tall.... Yes, I draw that tiny... And I suppose you do it on bristol, too?

;D You rock, Jim.
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Postby ZOMBIE USER 6611 on Sat Nov 16, 2002 6:37 pm

Tek Roo wrote:If I do need significant quantities of milk, I plan ahead, buy a fresh batch, then throw the leftover milk away the moment I'm finished with it.
An old bachelor trick, if I may pass it on: Buy milk that is "lactose free" and has a screw top on the carton. It typically has a shelf life in the refrigerator some four to eight times as long as regular milk.

Instead of what "date", you only have to worry about what "month" it expires. ;) Since this is available in regular, 2% or skim, you can suit your own tastes in that regard.

And by the way, Gloria, I have just started into your story.

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Postby Matt Trepal on Sat Nov 16, 2002 8:34 pm

Re: Strip size -- I agree with Gloria. I would love to be able to draw at that size, but I would need a ledger-sized scanner, which is cost-prohibitive. On the other hand, large expanses of white space intimidate me, so maybe it's for the best.

Re: Milk -- I have discovered opaque plastic milk containers at my grocery store, which seem to prevent spoilage. I'm not sure exactly how this works compared to translucent bottles, since the inside of the refrigerator is fairly dark, but it does.
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Postby Hortmage on Sat Nov 16, 2002 10:39 pm

Matt Trepal wrote:Re: Milk -- I have discovered opaque plastic milk containers at my grocery store, which seem to prevent spoilage. I'm not sure exactly how this works compared to translucent bottles, since the inside of the refrigerator is fairly dark, but it does.


Now, are you SURE that the inside of the refrigerator is dark? Have you actually checked it? :wink:

I think the easiest way to prevent milk from spoiling is to have a teenager in the house.... :roll:
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Postby Tek Roo on Sun Nov 17, 2002 2:31 am

LevelHead wrote:An old bachelor trick, if I may pass it on: Buy milk that is "lactose free" and has a screw top on the carton. It typically has a shelf life in the refrigerator some four to eight times as long as regular milk.


Hey! I'll look into that! See? You learn all sorts of stuff here.

LevelHead wrote:And by the way, Gloria, I have just started into your story.


Yikes! Guinnie Piggies!

Matt Trepal wrote:Re: Milk -- I have discovered opaque plastic milk containers at my grocery store, which seem to prevent spoilage. I'm not sure exactly how this works compared to translucent bottles, since the inside of the refrigerator is fairly dark, but it does.


I once knew, and have since forgotten, what light does to milk. Beer on the other hand... nah -- I'd better not. I can go on for hours explaining what happens at the molecular level of beer when placed in a clear or green bottle that gives you that lightstruck/skunky odour that the green-bottled continental lagers are famous for that we all know and love ::blech::

Now, where is that icky-face emoticon that I ordered a while back? And be sure to look for me in the Letters section of CAMRA's What's Brewing. The battle for brown bottles has begun!
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Postby JimRob on Sun Nov 17, 2002 3:46 am

I've just learnt from a fellow kitchen-user that you're not meant to chill red wine at all. I'd thought you just had to remove it from the fridge in order to get it back to room temperature beforehand. Ah well. (I drank it anyway.)

As for strip size: you don't actually need a scanner much bigger than A4. I scan my strips in two halves and glue them together in an appropriate art program. (It becomes very important to get them straight, though.) But there's definitely something to be said for drawing on A4. It must be quicker, for a start. And you don't need to use absurd amounts of ink / strange pens to get thick lines.
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Postby Big Bad Al on Sun Nov 17, 2002 6:21 am

JimRob wrote:As for strip size: you don't actually need a scanner much bigger than A4. I scan my strips in two halves and glue them together in an appropriate art program. (It becomes very important to get them straight, though.) But there's definitely something to be said for drawing on A4. It must be quicker, for a start. And you don't need to use absurd amounts of ink / strange pens to get thick lines.


This is true, but when you draw a 24cm by 8cm (16.5 for a "Sunday" strip) then every little slip up sticks out like a sore thumb. True you can fix most of these in PhotoShop but you can't fix all the line wobbles. I think I've vastly improved artwork wise to combat this, but if I want to get more detail in (say, I half decent background or show more of the characters then just from the whist up) I really should make them bigger. I really should replace my scanner, as mine is a archaic piece of shite, so I might look to see how much a big one costs (I'm far too lazy to split the strips up like Jim does).
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Postby ZOMBIE USER 8454 on Sun Nov 17, 2002 1:47 pm

i ain't too proud to scan the thing in two pieces. of course, i also was not too proud to just quit doing comics altogether. makes sense? a new strip's in the works, though, i think, so all of this stuff will be relevant for me again very soon.
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Postby ScottE on Tue Nov 19, 2002 10:44 am

PROKOFIEV2000 wrote:a new strip's in the works, though, i think, so all of this stuff will be relevant for me again very soon.


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