What's up with Meighan?

Bushipunk · Post by **Bushipunk** » Wed Mar 13, 2002 7:49 pm

Okay... I sat and refreshed for a while waiting for someone else to start this thread, but no one did.

What's up the Meighan? I guess we never saw her before, but I always got the impression she was cooler, more in control than this... Aloof... She seemed to hold the club as a whole and most of its members in some degree of contempt. As she's appearing more, she seems to be desperate to get into the pants of basically every girl she talks to (aside from Kath and Shanna, I guess close friends are off-limits... Good policy).
Has she been having a hard time finding anyone outside the club lately, or what?

Bushi, who recognizes there are more relevant and ultimately more interesting plot questions, but has been scratching his head about this for a while.

FrustratedPilot · Post by **FrustratedPilot** » Wed Mar 13, 2002 8:01 pm

Simple answer? My guess: she either needs to be wanted or wants to be kneaded.

KingLeon · Post by **KingLeon** » Wed Mar 13, 2002 8:10 pm

Consider... when she first met Harry, she tried to shock him with her tale of confused lovemaking... then almost seemed to ask him a queation of wisdom... And whenever she's around the other girls, her mind is shown thinking "Was that a line?!" to herself...

She's become sexually lacking... she's become the equivilient of the nerdy-boy among the girls who ignore his being a boy...

Or something like that. Phui. It's too late at night to theorize within sane terms...

Kouban no Hakase · Post by **Kouban no Hakase** » Wed Mar 13, 2002 8:17 pm

I'm breaking a long period of lurking to ask: is Meighan really fantasizing about Nazis, or was that just the scariest hat she could think of to put on Alisin? o_O

Tom the Fanboy · Post by **Tom the Fanboy** » Wed Mar 13, 2002 9:52 pm

*pop*
dbdbdbdbdbdbdbddddbbbbbbb.........

*slowly reconstructs his happy little brain*
Geeee!

OK, that was fun. I haven't enjoyed a page that much since FSaH! I just love the way that Meighan reacts. I should really theorize right now but I think I'll go look at the page for a little while longer.

*living up to his name once again*

Schol-R-LEA · Post by **Schol-R-LEA** » Wed Mar 13, 2002 9:55 pm

On 2002-03-13 20:17, Kouban no Hakase wrote:
I'm breaking a long period of lurking to ask: is Meighan really fantasizing about Nazis, or was that just the scariest hat she could think of to put on Alisin? o_O

The whole Nazi S/M thing is actually a rather common fantasy/fetish, to the point of cliche. Uniforms and other symbols of authority - especially authority which one cannot appeal to or beg mercy from - are a powerful turn on for some people, either using them or being threatened by them. As the ultimate symbol of corruption, absolute power, and unbending discipline - in black leather and carrying a riding crop and pistol, at that - the Nazi torturer/ dominatrix was something of an inevitablity. The fact that the Nazi high command were a notoriously kinky lot only enhances the whole trip.

The question that remains is, is Meighan a bottom or a switch?

Catz Bartlett · Post by **Catz Bartlett** » Wed Mar 13, 2002 11:24 pm

Okay, I know it was just a momentary fantasy of Meighan's, but Nazi imagery is kinda a touchy subject...and the idea of Alisin being associated with anything Nazi - or Meighan, for that matter - seems kinda laughable.

Didn't they sort of murder anyone who they found was other than straight?

Bevan · Post by **Bevan** » Wed Mar 13, 2002 11:30 pm

Well, in theory. Yes, they sent homosexuals to concentration camps along with Jews, Gypsies, Communists, and the rest, but hypocritically, some of the top-Nazis were homosexual. Hermann Goering was, at least.

Tom the Fanboy · Post by **Tom the Fanboy** » Wed Mar 13, 2002 11:30 pm

OK, I've recovered from my....*giggle*...giddiness and am ready to analyze.

The whole dominatrix nazi thing is indeed classic. It's the extreme severity of evil/powerful/unforgiving/uniformed power. The evil that you "don't like" but deep down really want. It's an S&M thing. I'm sure all the masochists out here get it what I'm saying.

That wasn't incrimnating in any way was it?
I mean.....anyway....

I really like the frame with Alisin taking a breath before yelling. I had no clue what she was doing until I scrolled down and got distracted.......ah! Not again!

Another funny note is that Alisin is in fact wearing a sweater like her hallucination self during Mad Science. I can see her being bundled up and pathetic when Meighan shows up all ready to see "Donna".

The thing I'm most curious about though is what Alisin was looking for. She was thinking of Rikk for inspiration. Does this mean she was trying to motivate Meighan forcefully and snap her out of the illusions of importance as far as the class* goes? Or does she know that Meighan is a lesbian and was playing that angle the only way she knows how? We don't know if Meighan has come out to the group (I'll go check New Faces) but if Alisin were going to play that with Meighan we all know she wouldn't be coy.

Finally, the economic proffessor is stuck in the 70s. If I were Buffy (Welcome to the Hellmouth) I'd say he was a vampire. or is it a she? Or a sidhe# since I haven't made that joke lately.

*not to say that her classes weren' important but this could be Alisin's LIFE.

#though an economics proffessor seems rather banal for a sidhe's mortal seeming.

Ray Radlein · Post by **Ray Radlein** » Wed Mar 13, 2002 11:53 pm

On 2002-03-13 23:30, Tom the Fanboy wrote:
Finally, the economic proffessor is stuck in the 70s. If I were Buffy (Welcome to the Hellmouth) I'd say he was a vampire. or is it a she? Or a sidhe# since I haven't made that joke lately.

As my friend Jo Walton once inquired, "Why did the lesbian Fomorian cross the road?"

"..To get to the other Sidhe."

FlyingFish · Post by **FlyingFish** » Thu Mar 14, 2002 12:30 am

I still haven't figured out why, exactly, Alisin's calling Meig in the first place. What <em>does</em> she want her to do (I seriously doubt it's what Meighan thinks)?

Tom the Fanboy · Post by **Tom the Fanboy** » Thu Mar 14, 2002 1:19 am

Honestly, she wants Meighan to take her to the hospital.
Dishonestly..... who knows?

Oh, and great joke Ray, I'm sure Raiden'll get a kick out of it too.

Silversmoke · Post by **Silversmoke** » Thu Mar 14, 2002 3:37 am

what would rikk do? he'd go to her... i don't think she's going to the hospital.

~fallen~ · Post by **~fallen~** » Thu Mar 14, 2002 3:43 am

What I'm more worried about is how Alisin sees Rikk.

Would he really yell like that? Why does she think he would?

_Fallen_
~Lurker extrodinaire~

Vitriol · Post by **Vitriol** » Thu Mar 14, 2002 4:00 am

Well, Rikk has yelled on occasion (too busy to go trolling for references), and Alison is probably enhancing those images in her memory (he's so calm normally, when he yells it must seem even more impressive).

I would guess she wants Meighan to drive her to find the crash site; I can't imagine her disappearing off to hospital while wierd stuff happens to her husband.

Nullset · Post by **Nullset** » Thu Mar 14, 2002 7:42 am

I'm with Vitrol on this one. Alisin is trying to emulate Rikk, in doing something pro-active. She wants to be with him facing down, um, whatever. And she's low on skify members right now, thus calling Meighan (being the only avaliable member with a car. we'll see if she pulls Jackie along.).

While this is good that the club will get more help at the crash site, it's leaving Kath and Stu very alone in facing the General.

The theorizing about Stu as a traitor has left me with the image of Eustace in The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe (granted it was the first real fantasy book I'd ever heard and it had a profound effect on me, but hear me out...) He's introduced as a very dislikable character, who thinks almost exclusively of himself, and goes over the opposing side the first chance he gets. There may be heroism and redemption in the future, but it will cost. Probably cost him dearly. What he has any strong feelings about isn't clear to me yet, but we'll see.

As for Kath, if the General has any serious data on her, I don't see her long for this world. She's just way too dangerous.

RebLaw · Post by **RebLaw** » Thu Mar 14, 2002 9:23 am

hehe silly maschostic girls

well, if you're going to be dominated, might as well be with style...

RebLaw

Nabiki_neumann · Post by **Nabiki_neumann** » Thu Mar 14, 2002 12:27 pm

I agree that she's trying to be proactive and help Rikk, instead of sitting home being frightened (about him and herself). Although, I've begun to think that Alisin might be as crafty as Kath herself. There always seems to be another level to her. Maybe she's insecure enough that she thinks that Megan might draw Rikk's focus back to her (if he thinks he might loose her), because she knows that Rikk doesn't even consider her dying an option (at least that's the image he's given her)

FrustratedPilot · Post by **FrustratedPilot** » Thu Mar 14, 2002 2:09 pm

On 2002-03-14 07:42, Nullset wrote:
The theorizing about Stu as a traitor has left me with the image of Eustace in The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe. He's introduced as a very dislikable character, who thinks almost exclusively of himself, and goes over the opposing side the first chance he gets.

If I remember that story correctly, the Witch tempted Eustace, and then coerced him into doing her will. Yes, Eustace had a weak character, but there was more to it than that.

There was just a while ago a piece on NPR radio about a Nazi-Imagery modern art theme show at the Jewish Museum in New York City. Interesting coincidence.

Aris Katsaris · Post by **Aris Katsaris** » Thu Mar 14, 2002 3:52 pm

He's introduced as a very dislikable character, who thinks almost exclusively of himself, and goes over the opposing side the first chance he gets.

The difference is that Stu is *actively* mean, having fun with hurting others... This is beyond thinking only about yourself - it's about deriving pleasure out of other people's pain. I have more difficulty accepting redemption for such characters...