I think Margaret just ended the fight!

Strangeone · Post by **Strangeone** » Sun Aug 05, 2001 10:03 am

You can hit Margaret with a podium, you can twist her foot while she's performing a flying kick, but don't you ever...ever...EVER......touch Dave!

Wish · Post by **Wish** » Sun Aug 05, 2001 10:43 am

Oh, now here's an idea we havn't heard expressed.. in the last ten minutes. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/wink.gif"> I'm sorry, I really am, but I'm just not impressed. I can see the 'No touchie Dave' or 'Tentacle beats fist' messages ten millions times, but I'm apparently not getting the idea. Don't get me wrong, I've read the entire CRFH archive, and I've enjoyed it, but these oft-repeated slogans of character intent don't provoke any interest for me. If 'the other team' was automatically crushed any time someone 'touched Dave!' or 'ticked off Marsha!' then we wouldn't need the crossover, would we? We could just count the Fans! amidst the defeated and move on. I'm not saying that we shouldn't speculate on who's going to triumph over whom, but for those of us who aren't as emotionally invested in the CRFH saga (or just ME, probably), these kinds of sound-bites get old real quick. Or maybe I'm just a mean old lady who should get over herself. Either way, could I make the humble request that we have some real Nodrogizing again? I'm starting to feel like I'm in the middle of a media blitz. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/biggrin.gif">-Wish
Thanx,Anoumunous Reader.

Eyeless Blond · Post by **Eyeless Blond** » Sun Aug 05, 2001 10:55 am

I'm tending to agree with wish here. I mean the "Don't ever touch Dave, or Margaret'll go nuts!" or "Don't ever touch Rikk, or Rumy and Alisin'll go nuts!" is getting a bit old.Now, SPECULATION! What we have here is a very cool fight going between the Fans and the Roomies, with the Rommies apparently withe the advantage at the moment (even without Roger going werecoyote). But that's not even remotely the most important thing.More important: where is Pinkerton? Is he throwing sleeping gas into the room in an attempt to subdue the whole gang and bring them triumphantly back to headquarters for a pat on the back?Did he make a pact with Waldo and Steve for some Guacamole of Doom, and is even now mutating into some huge mutant with fiery breath?Did he betray the FIB to become a LIE double-agent and is now come to eliminate the Fans for joining the enemy?Did he make a pact with the same alien race that created Hyperman and is now having dozens of super-clones made of him?Will he ally with Mr. Dover and help him finally complete the Anti-Life Equation?Am I just not doing a good Nodrog-ing?

Tom the Fanboy · Post by **Tom the Fanboy** » Mon Aug 06, 2001 12:07 am

Sorry Doublespeak, The fatal flaw in your plan is that not only would he run out of web comics that would update in time to take care of the others but he'd be so busy playing email tag that he'd never be able to HAVE a son!
For most of the reasons spoken about above I refuse to go to the CRFH board. Sure they have fun there but it's just wayyyy to insider. I mean, I can understand the fun of being part of that but I've got a low tolerance for dealing with groups online that are cliqueish. I try and fight the temptation of doing that here with saying "remember the old board" and making tons of Auxilerated jokes. I've always tried to welcome new posters (which is REEEEALLY hard since the crossover) and help people out so as to keep this friendly and level fielded.I dunno, if we get an IRC channel then it might be too late. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/wink.gif">Personally, I don't think either side will "win". They're pretty evenly matched in my opinion. Will to Mike. Rikk to Dave. Alisin to Margaret. Rumi to Marsha. Shanna to April. Tim to Rodger. Kath to.........wait, I think I lost the rhythm somewhere around Tim......Anyway, just because the Roomies have super powers I don't think that'll help them one bit. Sure they fight the devil and Old Ones but Hyperman went down and so did..... well I guess he's the most "powerful" entity they actually took down other than the vague FiB critters. Anyway. It's not Players vs NPCs here! It's two player parties!It'll end once the communication begins and they find out about who Pinkerton really is. Then we'll get to cooler scenes where they actually GET ALONG. Heh heh, I already mentioned my opinions of the KODT crossover. heh heh heh.------------------
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Czhorat · Post by **Czhorat** » Mon Aug 06, 2001 12:21 am

OK. This thread seems to have TWO topics in one! I'll do the easy one first:No, I don't think that the fight is over by any stretch. Alisin seems a bit charbroiled, but the rest of the Fans are at least on their feet. Rikk is bruised, but still healthy enough to shout orders, Will is chasing Roger all over the place, and Rumy's survived worse than a chair to the face. We still haven't seen what Katherine and Shanna are up to, and we KNOW that Kat can open up a can of whup-ass when need be. The meta-reason I don't think this is over is that crossover logic dictates that neither set of characters can really lose. It's the same reason that Brian VanHoose managed to pull a draw with Rikk in the wizards-battle during the KoDT crossover. To have one group "win" would be too traumatic for that group's fans. I expect the thing to end semi-peacefully with both sides looking equally banged up.As far as the CRFH board is concerned, I don't consider it appreciably worse than any other high-traffic corner of the 'net. There seem to be a large number of people there who've been discussing the comic, writing fanfics, and hanging out together online for a long time now. The sheer volume of posts makes it hard to dive in - I saw some threads go from 5 posts to 50 pretty much overnight. I think the "newbie poking" seems to be lighthearted teasing, and wouldn't take it too seriously. If you care enough to take the time to figure out what they're all talking about (and they HAVE answered the few questions I dared ask) I see no reason to not expect you to be welcome.

Doublespeak III · Post by **Doublespeak III** » Mon Aug 06, 2001 12:33 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Tom the Fanboy:
Sorry Doublespeak, The fatal flaw in your plan is that not only would he run out of web comics that would update in time to take care of the others but he'd be so busy playing email tag that he'd never be able to HAVE a son!
For most of the reasons spoken about above I refuse to go to the CRFH board. Sure they have fun there but it's just wayyyy to insider. I mean, I can understand the fun of being part of that but I've got a low tolerance for dealing with groups online that are cliqueish. I try and fight the temptation of doing that here with saying "remember the old board" and making tons of Auxilerated jokes. I've always tried to welcome new posters (which is REEEEALLY hard since the crossover) and help people out so as to keep this friendly and level fielded.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Hey you never know what could happen Tom, Pinky could make a quick pit stop to make some kin. Your probably right, but you gots to admit "Infernal dance until the end of all that is" is a killer little line.I find your comments on the CRFH message board interesting. I admit I really haven't looked through it, are they hostile to newbies regularly? Has anyone ever expeirenced this hostile attitude firsthand? I will read through it and see.

Merrow · Post by **Merrow** » Mon Aug 06, 2001 12:41 am

Please bear in mind that this is a first attempt at "Nodrogizing", but here goes.Margrets cry of "don't touch him" merely causes a slight lull in the melee but its enough to loose Tim from Mikes grasp. Marsha tries to ensare him with her cuteness again, but Tim counter attacks with a new interpretive dance -"Hackerz". This sight is too much for Marsha who goes into an instant catatonic state. A mere glimpse of it produces such agony in Roger that he instantly transforms into a were-coyote and goes on rampage. (Until Alisn whips the "bad puppy" into submission). Rumy recovers from the chair in the face and goes one on one with Margaret, Dave and Rikk try to split them apart, but they themselves keep mixing up which of them is which, with Rikk trying to shoot lasers out of his eyes and Dave trying an inspiring speech. Both fail miserably. Mike tries to go after Tim for damaging Marsha but is intercepted by Katherine and Will. Katherine has her mace, and Will has modified his robe into a cape and put his underwear on the outside and is channeling Hyperman. The fight is almost even. April is hiding beneath a desk and bumps into Guthrie. Its love at first sight, but doomed, like Romeo and Juliet, for Guthrie's clock-like mind is destroyed when Mike smiles during the battle. Shanna who has been helped out of the room by Kath, has called in her press team, causing both Roomies and Fans! to scatter. This is just the first of many battles.Merrow
[edited to fix some typos][This message has been edited by merrow (edited 08-06-2001).]

Roscoe · Post by **Roscoe** » Mon Aug 06, 2001 12:46 am

They tend to poke, and their culture is unintentionally hostile to newbies (a square board, for those three of you that remember my speech).That is, unless you possess a fine social sense, some knowlege of sociology, and the intelligence enough NOT to announce your newbiehood but just jump right in.Such as my good self.Squee.

Strangeone · Post by **Strangeone** » Mon Aug 06, 2001 12:58 am

How in the name of Cthulhu did this happen? <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/eek.gif"> I post a simple topic stating the possibility that Margaret just ended the fight and make it open for debate when people turn it into a diatribe against the CRFH board?What the heck is that about, people? Not to mention that your generalizations are way off. It's like the pot calling the kettle black.

Czhorat · Post by **Czhorat** » Mon Aug 06, 2001 1:53 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Strangeone:
How in the name of Cthulhu did this happen? <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/eek.gif"> I post a simple topic stating the possibility that Margaret just ended the fight and make it open for debate when people turn it into a diatribe against the CRFH board?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>It's called subject creep. No matter what the topic starts out as, people will talk about whatever they feel like talking about.I think part of this is also the defensiveness people always have about their favorite characters during a crossover. A few of the boardies from each side have also crossed-over (OK, it's mainly been just me on the CRFH board, but still...) People naturally identify with their favorite characters and want them to "win". Seeing reasons why the CRFH crew should win repeated multiple times is naturally irritating to some of the Fans! fans.Keep in mind that the CRFH board is a very well-populated one and a little intimidating to the unitiated. I don't think it's a bad place, but it isn't an easy one to dive into. I don't think anyone here means anything bad by it.I'd just be happy if someone would start using the more precise word "lectern" for the thing that Rikk clobbered Margaret with.

T Campbell · Post by **T Campbell** » Mon Aug 06, 2001 1:57 am

Yeah, cooler heads seem to be prevailing over here, which is good. I'd hate to see the FANS/CRFH conflict mirrored in this thread. After all, we got a couple of great new regulars already, just from ANTICIPATION of the crossover.To be fair, CRFH did have a big oldbie-newbie conflict a month ago or so, but that seems well resolved by now.On the bright side, this is the most active the forums have been since "Roomie..."

T Campbell · Post by **T Campbell** » Mon Aug 06, 2001 2:00 am

Really? I don't remember any such hostility... and in the early days, nobody but Maritza had a clue who I was. The "poke the newbie" thing is just an initiation ceremony, a bit more formal than "welcome to the boards," but I have no problem with it.In-jokey? Hey, it's hard to help it altogether. Somebody's bound to come along any minute now and ask what "Nodrogizing" is. But it should be evident, from the number of posts I've made on the CRFH message board, how *I* feel about it. I have no idea what goes on in #crfh, I still have trouble keeping track of who has PSL for whom, but I'm greatly enjoying their opinions about the things I *do* know... and that's all I really need to get out of it.[This message has been edited by T Campbell (edited 08-06-2001).]

T Campbell · Post by **T Campbell** » Mon Aug 06, 2001 2:17 am

Oh, and as for the "revenge for a loved one" thing being played... well, can't say anything yet...

Maritza_Campos · Post by **Maritza_Campos** » Mon Aug 06, 2001 2:41 am

Heh. Besides, whoever wins, you can blame T and me equally for it <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/wink.gif">Yes yes. Because you know how sadistic we are to our characters heheheheh mwaha!Also, the CRFH board has a bad rep, but it's actually pretty much like the Fans board only bigger. Both have speculation threads as well as nice off-topic discussions, fanfics, RPGs, contests etc. We're very civilized when we're not running around wild and foaming.Maritza
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Wish · Post by **Wish** » Mon Aug 06, 2001 3:28 am

Nonononono! I didn't want to provoke a board vs. board mentality. I was just hoping for someone to go into a little more depth than simple catchphrases. My plan was to fuel a trend towards a more.. Dennis Miller-esque type of ringside commentary, for lack of a better term, not a fan war! We must live in peace and harmony, because the aliens told us too. We must love our fellow fans. Love. Loooooooooooove <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/biggrin.gif">-Wish
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Drooling Fan Girl · Post by **Drooling Fan Girl** » Mon Aug 06, 2001 3:29 am

I said it over there, I say in here. It doesn't matter who comes out on top in this fight. The minute they started fighting. Pinky Sans Brain won. I still thinks he has some diabolical sceme going.Take Care
DFG

Muttley · Post by **Muttley** » Mon Aug 06, 2001 3:34 am

wish, I agree with you. The crfh board seems to be somewhat - how can I put it - tribal. Their allegiences, their rapid banter their low tolerance: they are aggressive and (as Tom said) cliquey. Too many two-line posts over fourteen-line sigs as well - - -Doublespeak, I characterised the crfh boardies as "robust with newbies", and they didn't disagree with me. More of a "hazing" ritual than anything else, as I understand it. Some of them are almost morbidly obsessed with post count and rank status (the Keenspot boards have far more ranks than just Cadet and First Class) and "newbie" has been used as an insult before now. Their post rate is very high but the signal-to-noise ratio can be poor, making it difficult to follow threads. That said, they weren't hostile to me, perhaps I snuck in under their radar . . .Roscoe: I was there <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/smile.gif">.How will the fight end?I'm surprised Rikk hasn't thrown the light switch yet. Perhaps Kath will do that, leaving Shanna to discover Pinkerton. THAT should be interesting . . .Once the lights are out, Rikk and Dave may get their sides calmed down enough to talk. If Shanna brings in Pinkerton, that may help things along.Under the truth serum, Pinkerton said the Fans were "a secret society trying to capture us and use our powers to take control of the Government". If the truth serum works at all, then this must be mainly true, so the FIB has plans-within-plans for the Fans. Of course the FIB's first reaction to the Roomies would be to lock them away - they are monsters after all.The Roomies have no strategy, do they? Mike bullied them into doing it his way again, just burst in and hurt people. Honestly, I have some trouble suspending my disbelief enough to cope with Mike. He's one-dimensional: "what can I hurt next?" Friends, enemies, random strangers, it doesn't matter. Nothing but relentless bad attitude, with a tentacle. How does this guy make friends, never mind keep them? MuttleyPardon him, Theodotus, he is a barbarian, and thinks that the customs of his tribe and island are the laws of nature.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Doublespeak III · Post by **Doublespeak III** » Mon Aug 06, 2001 3:54 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Czhorat:
It's the same reason that Brian VanHoose managed to pull a draw with Rikk in the wizards-battle during the KoDT crossover. To have one group "win" would be too traumatic for that group's fans. I expect the thing to end semi-peacefully with both sides looking equally banged up.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Of course that

Muttley · Post by **Muttley** » Mon Aug 06, 2001 3:55 am

Strangeone,
(snip)
Czhorat has answered you much better than I managed to. Just try to think how, oh, say a fifty-year-old Englishman might view your post <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/smile.gif">Lets get this out of the way. The crfh board reflects the success of the comic. It has much higher traffic than the Fans board, from a broad section of the webcomics fan community; can I call them "College Comics Fans" without causing offence? They are creative, assertive and enthusiastic, and sometimes get deeply emotionally involved with the comic. I think it is significant that the recent unpleasantness happened at the same time that the storyline was exploring the characters relationships in great emotional depth.The Fans board, by comparison, is a quiet backwater. There is not the intensity of involvement with the strip, instead we seem to take a longer view. There is still depth of feeling, though. A little more "slow to judge, slow to anger, try to understand". Most of us are Fans too, so perhaps we are a narrower section of the online community, but I also think we have more variety in our experience, and engage more freely in fandom-related (well, sometimes it's tenuous) as opposed to Fans-related discussion. Have a look at the board archives and see what you think.I like it here; this board brought me back into online involvement (rather than straight work-related stuff) after a long silence.I think we can all get along; I certainly hope so. Remember that we aren't all the same, we're all different, and exploring that difference is where the fun is!Muttleywish - you're going to have to read the crfh archives I'm afraid <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/smile.gif">Woofwoof woof - thats my other dog impression

Strangeone · Post by **Strangeone** » Mon Aug 06, 2001 4:43 am

OK, all is forgiven, and I see where some of you guys are coming from. I just got a little defensive when people started making opinions about the CRFH board and felt a need to jump back in. I'm happy to see that no one got hurt. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/smile.gif">