A Critters critique, please!

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A Critters critique, please!

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Hello, comic denizens!

May I present to you fine people CrittersOnline, the cyber home for my creature comic strip Critters™. Set in Tintoonati, a sleepy river town in southwest Ohio, Critters™ is about school, love and life in general through the eyes of a few furry members of the 20-something generation. New strips show every last weekend of the month, or the first weekend of the following month if I'm running late (which happens frequently, I'm afraid). CrittersOnline is a little more laid-back affair than other web-based comics, but please keep in mind that I’m not doing this for much money (in fact, I'm not doing this for any money at the moment, tho I'm trying!). I’m doing this for fun and to vent creative energies. As you may imagine, production of artwork right now is limited, due to other demands of my time. However, I try really hard to keep regular and timely updates.

How 'bout a sample?
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But there's a whole lot more where that came from! Head on over to http://www.crittersonline.org and let me know what ya think - good or bad. I always enjoy hearing from folks, so what say you, kids? :)

Thanks,

Paul
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Re: A Critters critique, please!

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Considering that you claim to do this for fun and practice, I find it interesting that you took the time and money to obtain a trademark with Ohio and such for your comic. Doubly so considering how little content you actually have compared to a lot of the folk I see on this website (who are, like you, doing this as a hobby on the side of their busy lives yet produce far more than one comic a month). It makes me wonder if you obtained it out of paranoia or in order to be able to sue those other who use anthropomorphic Tex Avery rip off characters with a generic name. Understand that this assessment is not meant to be nearly as scathing as I'm sure it will come off, but common law copyright is more than enough to protect your own content in the US, online and (especially) in print.

Despite your website claiming you are different from "the same old boring, insipid comics commonly found in today’s newspapers", I really don't see a difference between your comic and the same old boring, insipid comics I find in my local newspaper. This isn't necessarily bad (as you seem to suggest), but outside of a slightly more edgy sense of subject matter you don't exactly venture into uncharted waters when it comes to narrative and content. Most of your strips hold jokes I've seen in Archie, Family Circus, or a host of other major publications (in print newspapers) that also don't bother trademarking their work.

Your art style is superb for the format
. You easily get across the appropriate emotions and messages in each panel, and your pacing is great. Your actual strip form, however, is way too cluttered with your legal crap. I found my eyes being drawn to your ridiculous amount of qualifiers and miscellanea rather than reading your comic, which is a shame because your work is very good. I could easily see you publishing in a newspaper, as your work is perfect for the non-confrontational, non-offensive humor that newspapers cater to.

As a 20-something anthropomorphic rabbit (presumably your target audience), I'd appreciate a bit more dangerous content. Venture into more edgier jokes, try different pacing styles outside of the traditional into, setup, punchline, reaction form you stick to in almost all of your content. You don't have to shock your reader's sensibilities to keep things fresh, but you can't keep doing the same thing over and over and think you'll keep a following. That's mostly why those Newspaper comics you consider insipid and boring are considered insipid and boring.
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First off, thanks so much for checking out my stuff and offering a critique, SC! I so seldom hear back from anyone as to the job I’m doing, so any kind of constructive feedback like this is greatly appreciated. And, considering this is peer-to-peer feedback (IMO the best possible kind) I’m especially grateful!

To answer your questions, regarding my taking copyright and trademark protection, I mostly did that on a whim. When I started out, I had hoped to take my comics somewhere and make a living from them, and figured what the hell; to secure a copyright was cheap and the form easy to fill out. I was just going for the novelty of it all. My trademark was the same way. In the case of a trademark, however, as I understand the law - and someone please correct me if I’m wrong! - an artist can use the trademark designation in lieu of filling out the complicated paperwork and paying the expensive fee, but it doesn’t have any legal backing with the US Library of Congress' OCT. In the case of trademark disputes, the one who can prove prior ownership is the one who wins in a court of law. The (TM) symbol, what I and a lot of others use, is an unregistered trademark. A registered trademark (R) means the owner actually went through the process to secure a legally-backed trademark. Additionally, since the government knows that its trademark process is long, complicated and expensive, you also have the option of securing a legally-backed trademark through your state of residence. I’m told the process is a lot cheaper and easier than an OCT one, but I never quite got around to looking into it. As far as my use of the trademark and copyright qualifiers go, I’m more than reasonably sure I *have* to use them according to the law. Course, after all, what’s the point in having protection if you’re not gonna tell anyone you have it? :)

As I became more serious about my strip, and actively worked to increase my readership in other areas and markets, I came to better see how much I needed the protection. Especially when I delved into the anthropomorphic or furry segment! Brother, you wanna see some blatant disregard for an artist’s property and intellectual rights (termed use of Rule 34 by the fandom), look at the furry genre! True, there isn’t much I can do if some fur is ripping off my designs, but at least I have some measure of protection that gives me a little more leverage if/when he does.

Regarding your point that my comics aren’t all that different than what’s currently in print, I had to take that as both a compliment and an insult. I’m complimented, as I evidently have the stuff to run with professional cartoonists - hell, it even gives me hope I may do this for a living yet - but given pause slightly in that I thought (at least some of) my stuff already did touch on topics too taboo for mainstream newspapers. Oh, I’ll agree with you in that a lot of my stuff is tame enough for print syndication. I have to be, if I want to remain in the papers I’m printed in. But some other stuff, like my serials “And Baby Makes Three” and “Girl’s Night Out,” for example... I’d be hard-pressed to believe that I could actually get away with them in major publications.

I read with considerable curiosity you advice that I venture into more dangerous and edgier content. Please, forgive me for asking, SC, and I mean absolutely no offense, but did you have the opportunity to check out my more PG-13-rated cartoons on my Critters Plus page? That’s where I keep my harder stuff. The Archives page primarily contains cartoons that’ve been released for publication. Do you suggest I should venture into R-rated territory?

Lastly, my target audience is more the 18-35-year-old, coffee shop-frequenting, indie publication-reading kinda viewer, furry and non-furry alike. Not much - if any - money to be made from it, but hey - like you said, if you see me being published in newsprint or some other outlet like that I might have a shot at syndication after all. :)

Again, thanks so much for the feedback and kind words regarding my cartoon! I hope to hear more from you guys here! :)
"I've come to accept a lot of what's wrong with this world, and there's not much I can do about it." - Johnny "Rotten" Lydon

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Re: A Critters critique, please!

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I'd look into the Trademark thing again. U.S. common law practices are pretty tricky when it comes to unregistered trademarks, and if someone else has already claimed the materials (see Critters, the 1980s horror movie) you can get in serious trouble should the property holder find out you are using their trademark. The law of internet apathy is in your favor, as the odds of said company finding out about your web comic and/or taking the legal steps necessary to work against are slim to none, but be aware. Also, I don't believe state copyright law will stand in court as anything outside of common law use. If you feel the need to get further protection, throw down the cash and register with the US Patent office.

Not really sure about the furry thing, I was just going off of what you had on your website (20 somethings) plus the content (rabbits). ~shrug~ It seems pretty open for most readers, so don't worry about attracting subgroups and distancing mainstream. If you venture into erotic matrial, however, you're asking for nitche status and you probably won't recover from it.

I will back up my previous statement that your work dosen't really venture into dangerous content. Dangerous isn't necessarily sexual or violent content. Example: When Calvin and Hobbes discusses death and loss in what is expected to be a child's playtime comic, that is dangerous. It shakes up the reader and pushes then farther than the expectation of the work. I meant it as a complement that I could see your work on a standard Sunday paper. The quality is there, as is the staple humor, but if you really want to separate yourself from the content you will have to venture into unsafe material. Yes, you have venture into pg-13 material, but even then it's noting that pg-13 audiences haven't seen thousands of times. I looked at all of your pages, in fact. I chuckled occasionally (which is good, because it takes a lot for me to actually emote), but I wasn't surprised once.

You have the opposite problem of a lot of the folk on this website. You have the talent but not the content. I'd wager that with a bit of artistic danger, a glass of scotch, and some throwing tradition to the wind you could have something very marketable online or off.
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I like what I see. I'll definitely be looking into this one in the future.

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SevenCurrents wrote:I'd look into the Trademark thing again. U.S. common law practices are pretty tricky when it comes to unregistered trademarks, and if someone else has already claimed the materials (see Critters, the 1980s horror movie) you can get in serious trouble should the property holder find out you are using their trademark. The law of internet apathy is in your favor, as the odds of said company finding out about your web comic and/or taking the legal steps necessary to work against are slim to none, but be aware. Also, I don't believe state copyright law will stand in court as anything outside of common law use. If you feel the need to get further protection, throw down the cash and register with the US Patent office.

Not really sure about the furry thing, I was just going off of what you had on your website (20 somethings) plus the content (rabbits). ~shrug~ It seems pretty open for most readers, so don't worry about attracting subgroups and distancing mainstream. If you venture into erotic matrial, however, you're asking for nitche status and you probably won't recover from it.

I will back up my previous statement that your work dosen't really venture into dangerous content. Dangerous isn't necessarily sexual or violent content. Example: When Calvin and Hobbes discusses death and loss in what is expected to be a child's playtime comic, that is dangerous. It shakes up the reader and pushes then farther than the expectation of the work. I meant it as a complement that I could see your work on a standard Sunday paper. The quality is there, as is the staple humor, but if you really want to separate yourself from the content you will have to venture into unsafe material. Yes, you have venture into pg-13 material, but even then it's noting that pg-13 audiences haven't seen thousands of times. I looked at all of your pages, in fact. I chuckled occasionally (which is good, because it takes a lot for me to actually emote), but I wasn't surprised once.

You have the opposite problem of a lot of the folk on this website. You have the talent but not the content. I'd wager that with a bit of artistic danger, a glass of scotch, and some throwing tradition to the wind you could have something very marketable online or off.
Sorry for my late response. This looking for houses has me running ragged and behind on my artwork. Anyway, by now I fully agree with you that erotic material would have me headed for niche status. It's a Pandora's Box I'd rather not open; that's why I've been so resistant to doing it. It's also why I've finally come to believe that I don't belong on the furry listserv that I currently feature my comic on. These people are only interested in porn, and artists such as myself who don't trade in such material are pretty much ignored.

I'm trying to get an idea of what "edgier" or "dangerous" content would be when it comes to my comics. Do I have it with these:

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Or my whole "Girls Night Out" series - especially the latter half

Or at least, how close do I come?

I'm wondering if I might have to have basically two kinds of comics - tame ones that are produced for mainstream print, and edgy ones that can only be found online...
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MSPcomix wrote:I like what I see. I'll definitely be looking into this one in the future.

Thanks so much! I'm glad you liked my stuff! :)
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