well, i guess i am a christian now

Halo299 · Post by **Halo299** » Tue May 02, 2006 7:21 pm

i mean

i really can't put it off any longer, to be honest i feel kind of silly about fighting it this long.

but you really can't argue with THIS

hope you guys find your way.

i'll pray for you

-halo

Kingofthemorlocks · Post by **Kingofthemorlocks** » Tue May 02, 2006 7:27 pm

I saw that recently. Of course, bananas have been shaped by artificial selection for probably thousands of years, to the point that they can't even reproduce without human intervention (some varieties, at least).

Also, let me just say that it's hilarious watching that in one window and looking at interracial dickgirl gangbangs in another.

MaryxTyphus · Post by **MaryxTyphus** » Tue May 02, 2006 7:32 pm

I'm confused, wouldn't it more prove, if anything that Evolution made the banana easier to eat for that of an average person? Or maybe dare I say it, people were evolved to consume fruit such as the banana and that's why people's ridges fit the banana and that is also why it is easier to digest etc etc?

Not saying I thoroughly support either side but it could go both ways.

Halo299 · Post by **Halo299** » Tue May 02, 2006 7:38 pm

I find it odd how he says "If you look at a WELL MADE banana"

is he just ignoring all the other bananas that don't fit his theory?
if bananas were really god's gift to us why arn't they all "well made" can't god even get that right all the time?

and if god was so cool, then why didn't he make it where we don't need to eat at all? and don't say that because all living things need to eat, because GOD is the one that thought up what all living things would need when he made us. So is god bound to act within the laws of biological science? if so doesn't that put a damper on the "all powerful" thing that the church has been trying to sell us for years?

-halo (still not a christian)

Wilmo · Post by **Wilmo** » Tue May 02, 2006 7:54 pm

There is however, no denying the order in the universe. Blame it on god... or perhaps a large turtle, with the universe on its back; but it's there.

Halo299 · Post by **Halo299** » Tue May 02, 2006 8:00 pm

Wilmo wrote:There is however, no denying the order in the universe. Blame it on god... or perhaps a large turtle, with the universe on its back; but it's there.

yes and in many ways that was my point in my last post.

it goes back to the thing about how god (assuming there is one) can't be both all powerful and all good.

because if he were all powerful he (most of the time seen as a male) would have been able to make the universe how ever he saw fit, and if he were all good, he would have made it in such a way were concepts like pain and death and evil and suffering simply could not exist.

so ether god wants us to suffer (not all good)
or
is unable to prevent us from suffering (not all powerful)

-halo

RantinAn · Post by **RantinAn** » Tue May 02, 2006 8:08 pm

urmm.. .why is the guy in grean about to wet himself laughing?
Is this suposed to be parody?

Wilmo · Post by **Wilmo** » Tue May 02, 2006 8:17 pm

well, were I a religious person, I'd opt to say that göd is all powerful and there is no such thing as "good" or "evil"

lucky me, I'm not.

MaryxTyphus · Post by **MaryxTyphus** » Tue May 02, 2006 8:48 pm

Halo299 wrote:
so ether god wants us to suffer (not all good)
or
is unable to prevent us from suffering (not all powerful)

-halo

Weeeell, according to the Black Book, we're suffering because of ol' Adam and Eve for Disobeying him and finding out the 'shame' in Nudity. Now it reinforces both theories; One obviously God is resentful and even after all these generations think we still don't deserve to be let back in and will still have to suffer; which is not all good. or Two; which also reinforces both at the same time that either God wasn't strong enough to destroy the tree or to stop Adam and Eve from eating the apple, or maybe that God was simply tired of his creation and left the tree there and hoped that they'll listen to the snake instead of thinking of a reason to kill them off, which isn't all Good.

But then again as read in the book of Job and the Story of Abraham I think we already came to the Conclusion that God is not all Good

Wilmo wrote:well, were I a religious person, I'd opt to say that göd is all powerful and there is no such thing as "good" or "evil"

Wait, then what the hell was the Bible supposed to be about?

Indigo Violent · Post by **Indigo Violent** » Tue May 02, 2006 10:22 pm

I thought the proof of God's existence was the abundance of phallic fruits and vegetables available as inexpensive masturbatory aids.

Aeridus · Post by **Aeridus** » Tue May 02, 2006 10:44 pm

God *is* the banana and he wants to be eaten.

Take that how you will.

Nithos · Post by **Nithos** » Tue May 02, 2006 11:18 pm

I just finished writing another long winded response in a moderatly serious thread, so it's time for some release...

Hey dumbass christian motherfucker! My dick's the perfect size and shape for your mouth and throat... SO BLOW ME!

and hey, I'll bet it fits nicely in your hand, too.

and that's to say nothing of your mom

...so subtlety isn't my strong suit sometimes.

Halo299 · Post by **Halo299** » Wed May 03, 2006 7:15 am

When I worked as a toll attendant (I’ve had some strange jobs) people would come through all the time and give me little books about god to read. I didn’t mind because it gave me something to read and we weren’t allowed to bring books.

But this one issue I read of a magazine I believe was called the ‘Watchtower’ but my memory may be off was talking about how horrible eastern religions like Buddhism are. Some of the reasons it gave were;

Buddhism doesn’t teach about Sin, there fore all Buddhist are suffering because they don’t understand that they are bad people. (dumb but ok)

Buddhism doesn’t teach about the salvation through Jesus Christ and therefore all Buddhist are constantly suffering from a gnawing empty feeling in their souls ( ummm sure why not)

Buddhist believe that they have been reincarnated from another life and that any pain they feel in this life is punishment for transgressions in their previous one. Most Buddhist feel that this is unfair because they are being punished for something that they didn’t do. ( WTF!!! All of Christianity is based on the fact that we are being punished for something we didn’t do!!! We die, get sick, grow old, have painful childbirth all because of some damned tree!!! Yet they feel that Buddhism is unfair!?)

That and the article about the evils of higher education were my two favorites.

-halo

Swordsman3003 · Post by **Swordsman3003** » Wed May 03, 2006 7:26 am

Wilmo wrote:There is however, no denying the order in the universe. Blame it on god... or perhaps a large turtle, with the universe on its back; but it's there.

Uh, yes there is denying it. First of all, order, like hot, is a relative statement. Is the universe hot or cold? Well, unless you compare it to a different universe, you cannot say.

Secondly, what would drive you to this conclusion in the first place? Modern physics is based on probability, chaos, and trying to estimate what our crazy universe will do. Space spontaneously produces matter (read about it!! stephen hawking wrote it!), electrons can be and are in two places at once.

Most of the universal constants show no signs of being "orderly" or some crap like that. Look at the gravitational constant. We have no way of determining, right now, why it is set at 6.67300 × 10^-11 m^3 kg^-1 s^-2. But we can say that if it differed at all, our universe would be a vastly different place. HOWEVER!! This in no way is any evidence that the universe was made for us any more than the banana. Please understand that people.

Halo299 · Post by **Halo299** » Wed May 03, 2006 7:54 am

Swordsman:

that was one of the coolest things that i have never thought about before.

so simple yet so impossible to ignore.

why swordsman

you just blew my mind harder than i have ever been blown before

-halo (I like 8-bit theater)

Kingofthemorlocks · Post by **Kingofthemorlocks** » Wed May 03, 2006 7:59 am

Those are all the reasons why I accepted the light of Buddha into my heart.

Squidflakes · Post by **Squidflakes** » Wed May 03, 2006 8:22 am

To put a bit of a finer point on what Swordzie was saying, most religions, and most people for that matter, approach the physical world as if it were made for us.

The creationists say "Look at the environment, the air is just right for people, the water is just right for people. Plants and animals provide us food, and the Earth provides us the means to make many things, surely this must mean that the world was created for us."

What they are doing is taking the most self-centered, egotistical position possible for one to take. The Earth was not made for us, we adapted to the conditions of Earth. The Universe is hostile, and we inhabit but a narrow band on a tiny ball of rock around an average star.

If this were all made by some super-being, some all-mighty omnipotent muckity-much, I'd be super pissed at it for confining us to this prison.

Sweet or Sour · Post by **Sweet or Sour** » Wed May 03, 2006 9:21 am

It is worth pointing out with regard to numbers that were empirically derived, that are said to ‘be’ certain things, such as the gravitational constant cited by swordsmen, are more akin to pi being taught in grade school as 3.14, with less measurability, than they are to the number that is actually presented. 6.672X10-11 is more of a best estimate than it is hard fact in any sense, though it can be depended upon for instances where values are small enough so that our close-enough number is indeed accurate within any sort of practical use. Though it is obvious that our [‘our’ being human science in general] understanding of things like gravity are not mature enough to state with any sort of certainty that there even are universal truths, such as a gravitational constant of fixed decimal expansion, and we can empirically prove ourselves flawed just as easily as we can attempt to prove ourselves ‘correct’. But numbers of infinite expansion do not mean chaos, but more so quite the opposite in many cases, especially as mathematical sophistication becomes greater, and digits of long numbers loose meaning to a more easily expressed equation of convergence. It is more correct to say that human science simply does not yet have the means to grasp the elegance of the universe [not to say it ever will], or to say that human science has yet to reach a level of perfection that would be required to state with certainty that there isn’t order in the universe. We know only enough about the truly complicated problems to say for certain only that we do not yet have the perfect answers. Things that seemed absolutely ridiculous and fantastic just a few years ago have been ‘proven’ [within the means that they can be proven by experimentation, which is more often than not simply stating that there is very good reason to believe something, as opposed to stating that something just ‘is’ with absolute certainty], and things that are accepted as fact are disproved quite continually, especially in the field of physics and biology, around which this conversation has been circulating. It is somewhat reasonable to say that our understanding of things is far more chaotic than are the things we are examining.

Jackalope · Post by **Jackalope** » Wed May 03, 2006 10:04 am

Huh. and I just had reason to pull this out on someone last night:

Halo: "Watchtower" is the Jehovah Witnesses' propaganda rag. Lucky you, if that's the only time you've ever encountered it. I've had to come up with creative ways to scare the JWs away from my various residences. The best was entirely accidental. Idiot knocked on my door while I was dyeing my hair. With a dye color that's named "Blood Red." And yes, it really does look like blood straight out of the bottle. So I was wearing my Miskatonic U tshirt because it's ratty and I didn't want to mess up a good shirt while dyeing. I come to the door with my hair slicked back, the MiskU shirt on, still had latex gloves on with Blood Red smeared on them.

JW: Can I have a few minutes of your time to talk to you about my Lord and Saviour, Jesus?
I'm starting to get really pissed off that I came to the door for this. What came flying out of my mouth was:
Only if I can talk to you about my Lord and Master, Satan. It's only fair, after all.

I think my two visitors left skid marks on the pavement, they were in such a hurry to leave. And I never had a bible thumper of any variety ever come by that place again. I think the combination of that encounter along with my halloween display (did the entire front of the house as a vodoun temple and scared the shit out of the neighborhood kids--they loved it) got me placed on a "Do Not Disturb. Ever." list.

We've been at this place for about a year and a half, and for about the first six months I had to keep coming up with polite ways of saying "Sorry, I'm an atheist." "We're not religious" apparently doesn't register as 'non-christian.' I had to actually spell it out for one guy who went on about how he wasn't "religious either, but I love the Lord." The folks around here really and truly have a hard time understanding that some people don't believe in god. Of any type. I've gotten around it a couple times by just telling them that we're not christians.

(and the place where I'm arguing with fanatics right now? The skiffy Battlestar Galactica board. WTF?)

Kingofthemorlocks · Post by **Kingofthemorlocks** » Wed May 03, 2006 10:15 am

I have a dream, that one day when those door-to-door fuckers come to my door, I can greet them wearing nothing but a smile and a ball python.