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Sharuuk wrote:
-The sound of a firing is exteremely loud.
And his point is??? Gunfire is loud...DUUUHHH.....So WHAT??? That's what ear plugs, muffs and other hearing protection is all about. Why should THAT make it a subject to be avoided?
Hmm. Not sure why I included that point, even if my dad did mention it.
Really? At the age of 10, I was considered responsible enough to take the family .22 down to the river (when we visited Gramma and Grampa in VA) alone and plink at cans from the railroad trestle. Have YOU come to that conclusion, or have your parents convinced you of it? What do you HONESTLY BELIEVE? Are you so unstable and irresponsible that because you're holding a potentially deadly instrument in your hand that you're automatacally going to do the wrong thing with it? How do you feel about handling a chainsaw, an axe, a machete, or a very large extremely sharp knife? All of these are potentially deadly weapons. Are you mature enough to handle these items with respect to what they can do responsibly? If you can honestly answer "yes" to that question, then you're responsible enough to handle a gun safely. If you can't, then maybe you shouldn't be allowed outside without adult supervision.
True. I did dig up the front lawn without cracking my brother's skull with a shovel last week. But I suppose I treat guns differently than that because of one simple reason:
Tucker (Red Vs Blue) wrote: We don't have any digging equipment, just guns! What do you want us to do, shoot you a grave?
It always seemed apparent to me that the primary purpose of guns was to be used as a weapon, unlike those other tools. I'm now positive that this is wrong, but ingrown prejudices take a while to overcome.

Until I get to college (where my parents can't touch me), my interest in firearms will remain confined to books.
Your parents may not be able to touch you on this issue, but given the extreme liberal left wing ideology of most of todays campuses, you just might have even MORE objection to an interest in guns from not only other students, but some of the faculty and administration as well. Your GPA could even be held hostage until you professed "enlightenment" on the evils of gun ownership. It's been tried several times.

Been there, done that, got the scars to prove it. Bloodied and scarred, but victorious and never bowed....NEVER bowed. But this is for another thread.
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Awesome. :shifty: Do you know which colleges have this problem, or am I just going to have to find that out the hard way?

Anyways, I talked to my dad again and he's loosened up a bit. So my question is, in case he lets me go but doesn't know where to take me, Do you know of any firing ranges in or near Raleigh, North Carolina?
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yeah, when i said that it was my first drive by...I meant that it was the first I have known to occur in the area-I don't remember hearing of any more happeing in my lifetime, but I can't compleately erase the possiblity :cry: .
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Doink wrote:True. I did dig up the front lawn without cracking my brother's skull with a shovel last week. But I suppose I treat guns differently than that because of one simple reason:

We don't have any digging equipment, just guns! What do you want us to do, shoot you a grave?
The only reason you should treat guns differently is because of their longer range capability of inflicting harm. Refer to rule #4..."Always be sure of your target AND BEYOND". Bullets go where they're aimed, not where they're wished.
It always seemed apparent to me that the primary purpose of guns was to be used as a weapon, unlike those other tools. I'm now positive that this is wrong, but ingrown prejudices take a while to overcome.
At first their original purpose was as weapons. But like any other ranged weapon, be it rifle, pistol, bow & arrow, war axe, or knife, tests of skill and prowess started out as friendly challenges and ultimately grew into major competitions. Riflery contests go all the way back to the 1700's. How far back do archery contests go? I have a fairly extensive collection of guns as do probably quite a few other members of our little furry asylum, and while at least 4 are pretty well dedicated to defensive purposes, the rest are for the most part for recreation. Big kid "toys". Although in no way are any of my weapons to be considered toys in the conventional sense, hence the 'Big Kid' prefix.
Awesome. :shifty: Do you know which colleges have this problem, or am I just going to have to find that out the hard way?
You might want to look up Dr. Mike S. Adams. He's a tenured professor of criminology at UNC Wilmington, quite possibly the most far out there leftist liberal college in NC. Dr. Adams is a conservative, writes a column for Townhall.com and drives the libs at UNCW up the walls. :lol: He's also an avid gun collector and hunter who whenever either the feminists or PETA get their thongs in a wad over something to do about guns, immediately goes out and adds another one to his collection and making a big todo of it in his column in response. He would be an excellent source of info on colleges and is a very approachable and personable type of individual.....check out his columns and judge for yourself.
Anyways, I talked to my dad again and he's loosened up a bit. So my question is, in case he lets me go but doesn't know where to take me, Do you know of any firing ranges in or near Raleigh, North Carolina?
Good for your dad.......and as for where to shoot....."Ask and ye shall receive."

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Sharuuk wrote:
Anyways, I talked to my dad again and he's loosened up a bit. So my question is, in case he lets me go but doesn't know where to take me, Do you know of any firing ranges in or near Raleigh, North Carolina?
Good for your dad.......and as for where to shoot....."Ask and ye shall receive."

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Dad loosening up reminds me of this:
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I can see that sort of a scene in your future... but without the alcohol. I suspect the smell of cordite in your clothes might prick the confrontation...

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I remember a note in Ripley's Believe it or Not, of how one guy shot a bullet into the barrel of the other's revolver, killing him instantly. From the 1800's, I think...

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there's a couple of stories like that, i think i remember reading one (from an allied soldier) of a german sniper in WW1 that managed to shoot a round down the barrel of his rifle as he was trying to return fire.

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There is a sotry from the Vietnam War, where an elite American sniper found out that an equally talented Vietnamesse sniper had been tasked to hunt him. The American won. They found out later later that the Viet Cong sniper had shot through his tragerting eye, meaning the enemy sniper had actually drawn a bead on the American when he shot him.
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Madmoonie wrote:There is a sotry from the Vietnam War, where an elite American sniper found out that an equally talented Vietnamesse sniper had been tasked to hunt him. The American won. They found out later later that the Viet Cong sniper had shot through his tragerting eye, meaning the enemy sniper had actually drawn a bead on the American when he shot him.
Master Gunnery Sargent Carlos Hathcock USMC was the American sniper, and he shot the Cong sniper right through his own riflescope. Incredible shot.

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Sharuuk wrote: Master Gunnery Sargent Carlos Hathcock USMC was the American sniper, and he shot the Cong sniper right through his own riflescope. Incredible shot.
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I have wondered for years....was there any indication that the Cong sniper even saw his advesary?
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There are some that say Hathcock tells that he squeezed his trigger a millisecond before the Cong as they were both looking at each other thru their scopes... :o (serious pucker factor here)...and there are others who relate that he (Hathcock) already had his crosshairs on the Cong's head and he fired just as his rifle came around square to his position.

BTW.....this was the culmination of over a week of cat-and-mouse/hide-and-seek in the bush. And Hathcock insisted that he go alone and didn't have a spotter with him.

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Thats sniper on sniper duels for you ... they are by nature high tension *shudders*

Billy Sing versus a Turkish sniper at gallipoli had a similar ending. This was after having been shot and wounded by the same adversairy the week before (the turkish sniper shot through his spotter's scope :o seriously injuring the spotter and hitting Sing in the shoulder).

Subsequently Sing found the sniper's hide, and sighted in, only to see the face and muzzle of the enemy looking back at him O_O

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Doink wrote:Thanks for your feedback, gentlemen. I'll be sure to read up on this in my spare time. As for visiting firing ranges, I'm currently seventeen years old and won't be touching a firearms for quite some time. Besides, my parents have shown liberal tendencies and I'm not sure how to react if I ask them to take me. :o
How times have changed. . . I bought my first 9mm combat pistol from a gas station attendant when I was 16. I still have it too. 8-)

If you don't want to wait, you might consider a nice airgun (i.e. pellet gun). There are few if any legal restrictions in most areas. They are quiet and can be used in places where discharging a firearm is not practical or accepted. The ammunition is very inexpensive. And the skills and habits you develop with an airgun are 100% applicable to firearms whenever you move up to them.

Airguns can be addictive in their own right. I'll show you my favorite air rifle. . . just as an example of where you could end up if you really get into this stuff: http://users.htcomp.net/tbelding/FX/tarantula.html

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Well, I had another talk with my dad, and later one with my mom. The one point my dad raised was an issue about money. He said that firearms and ammunition are not cheap, and I doubt that I'll be able to pay for this hobby myself. Airguns, however, are a different story.

My mother was concerned, but not as closed-minded as I had anticipated. She asked about my mental state of being, citing teens who get depressed and shoot themselves without realizing the consequences of their actions. Although she is not against my learning how to shoot a gun, she will, never, ever let me own one as long as I live with her.

She has shot a gun before, by the way.

A particularly striking point was that if you should accidentally shoot someone, it will haunt you for the rest of your life. If you shoot someone you expect to attack you, only to discover it was a relative who dropped by for an unexpected visit, well, sucks to be you, then. She told me about people who get careless with their guns, leaving them for their children to discover, that that scenario happens quite often, in fact. Finally, she noted that in the hands of the inexperienced a gun can actually be quite painful. Let's say a woman was attacked in her home. She had a gun, but couldn't use it, so her attacker grabbed it and turned it on her. Bang.

I just checked out the Shooter's Bible from the library today. I didn't have enough time to browse all of the books, so this one might be ill-suited to an amateur like me.

I haven't yet told my parents about this forum's effect on my decision on this issue yet. I may have to show them this thread in order to get my point across, as I have trouble with oral debates.

But if I tell them about you, I'm worried that they'll jump to the conclusion that you're coercing me to do something I don't truly want to do. That all of this conservative influence is changing me for the worse. I don't want to be forced away from this place. :( I like you guys, even if you are a bunch of right-wing nutjobs. :roll:
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Awww, we love you too doink XD :lol:

Well i dont know how things are organised over there, but down here some of our schools have competitive shooting teams. They provided a really safe and easy to access way of learning about shooting. Some examples of how are:

- Rifles were owned and kept by the school so no storage problems
- The teacher was a safety nazi (which is a good thing in this case :P)
- And the fees were covered by our school fees (including ammunition).
- And you got to start small, on the .22's, before moving up to the .308's after you got the various shooting techniques (breathing, posture, trigger pull, adjusting sights etc etc.) correct. (And also once you felt like you were confident enough to be firing something that had recoil and generated a bit more noise :wink: )

Is it possible that your school has a shooting sports team too? it could be a great way to start off. (Ive also found out that my university also has a team, but you have to pay for ammunition too which is a bit cost prohibitive for a poor student like me :lol: )

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No, despite the fact that the majority of students at Southeast Raleigh High are black, there are no shooting clubs there. The closest thing I can think of is fencing club.
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Doink wrote:No, despite the fact that the majority of students at Southeast Raleigh High are black, there are no shooting clubs there. The closest thing I can think of is fencing club.
Why would it matter if they are black?
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I think we can probably assume that it was just tongue in cheek :P

although, it might also be considered foot in mouth :roll: :)

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Yeah, it was a crappy joke. Sorry. :shucks:
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Doink wrote:Let's say a woman was attacked in her home. She had a gun, but couldn't use it, so her attacker grabbed it and turned it on her.
That's what's known as sexist. Just because it's a woman, doesn't mean she can't use a firearm. Women can actually be better shooters quicker, because they're willing to accept that they don't know jack on the subject and don't have pre-conceived notions on how it should go. Y'know, no macho bullshit to get in the way.

I find being assosciated with right-wing conservatives to be a degrading and despicable thing. Same thing with left-wing liberals.

Yes, firearms can be expensive. The AR I'm currently building is going to cost me about 1200 USD or so, mags are like 60 each, and ammo is about 33 cents per. Not all are expensive, however. Ruger 10/22 == less than 200, enough ammo to keep you shooting for months isn't much more.

And yes, they are loud. However, there's things such as sound suppressors and earplugs/earmuffs. Though the sound suppressors are a bit expensive (thank you, Mr. BATFE, for your wonderful 200$ transfer taxes).
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