Webcomic Hate

[RPin]

But we have to take everything seriously, we are on the INTERNET!

[McDuffies]

I take comics seriously and don't regret it. I may be doing it as a hobby, but there's no reason not to try to be best that I can. I think, it's natural for a person to try to progress and improve and be the best in whatever he/her's doing, whether it is a hobby or profession.
I also expect the same from comics that I read. There's many good and even more bad comics, and there's little lime to read them all. Whenever I find myself reading a mediocre comic, I feel that I could be spending that time reading a better one.

I don't take social aspects so seriously though. Whether someone will read it (while nice,) is not my primary concern. Whether I'll kick the hell outa promoting it, or sell t-shirts and earn money, or something like that, is a secondary issue.

[Tentoumushi]

But we have to take everything seriously, we are on the INTERNET!

And the internet is SERIOUS BUSINESS!

Meh, to each thier own. I'm not saying people shouldn't take their ART seriously. I'm just saying if a few people get butt hurt over your update happening at 8:15 on Monday instead of the usual 8:00 and go from "omg you're a great comic artist and keep it up" to "HOMGWTF WHERE IS MY UPDATE YOU HACK!", don't sweat it.

[Eve Z.]

I take comics seriously because they may be the only thing I might be good at... if someone hates them, it's their problem, and, in fact I don't see what's to hate bout my stuff.

[Redtech]

Eve, is your avvie constipated?

As far as I care, you get out what you put in, because of the diverse nature of webcomics you can have some of the best and worst of comics as a whole stuck RIGHT HERE and gives us a huge variety to choose from. What is more important is the "give a shit" factor, the line that seperates someone just going through the motions and someone that actually cares about their work, regardless of the quality.

As for YWIBAYSFB, to be truthful, most of their points are there, and no, I don't wish to argue further, but the whole premise is based on people who stray on the wrong side of the line in one way or another and to be fair, you could imagine all of the works mentioned pwning just about anything with refinement.

At the end of the day, some of us have more time than others, or more commitment, or just better skills and ultimately, our first master must always be ourselves. If we can't devote the effort then there's no point, and at the same time, if you're afraid to say "this is my comic and I am proud to say its mine" then there's no point either in my opinion.

[Eve Z.]

Eve, is your avvie constipated?

lulz?
actually it was about to kill 5 people at once with a gravure press machine.

[RPin]

That avatar sets my mind elsewhere though.

[Bustertheclown]

Mods, please lock thread.

Why are you lobbying so hard for this thing to be locked? It's the most interesting thing to happen to GD in years. Alright, maybe not years, but it does keep yielding good conversation fodder, and it's nice to have much of the webcartoonist angst often displayed on these forums pretty much contained to a single thread. I know I like having a single spot to go to in order to spew forth with my own over-wrought tirades.

With that stated...

Well i've taken the time to read the entire topic and I've come to one conclusion. I shall keep it brief as not to keep on beating a now mushy dead horse.

Web comic artists: You are taking yourselves WAY TOO SERIOUSLY. Your services is free, your fans have NO RIGHT to get pissy if you miss an update or stop. They're not paying you for your time and effort and unless they do that have no steak in the comic's lifespan. I update regularly to keep a routine going, not for the fans. (Not like I have many actually but that's not the point) The Premise of this topic seemed to be a frustration over comic artists not taking their craft seriously enough, I say people who make free online comics shouldn't take it seriously. "Serious" comic artists send their work to publishers or go to school. This is supposed to be for a mutual enjoyment for both the artist and the reader, not some pretentious "my intellect is bigger than yours" contest.

You all have a right to disagree with me but meh, I think each comic is great in its own way and needs improvement. Why the hate topic?

I'm currently taking the first steps that will hopefully lead me to a doctoral degree in Fine Art, with a specialization in cartoon studies. That's right, I'm going to become a Doctor of Cartoonology. How's that for "serious?"

[Tentoumushi]

Look I didn't mean to piss people off with the comment. This is why, for the most part, I stay away from art communities in general. I take pride in my comic becuase its one of the more..."unique" thing I've come up with in years and while I love drawing it, want it to be good and mine, I don't "take it seriously" I suppose you could call it a defence mechanism becuase there are a billion better comics out there and some worse ones but in not taking it seriously...it feel so...I don't know easy to do. I never finish what I start and normally I quit after a while if things stop being interesting for me...and I'm getting massive dejavu in the middle of this post, creepy. Anyway, to sort of sum it up when I don't take my comic seriously, it usually makes it more enjoyable for me for me to draw and if there's a critique somewhere along the line to make it better, sure I'll listen. But comics aren't my life and I won't be offended if people hate mine. I've seen too many artists loose confidence because of that.

[Redtech]

Well the alternative is you defend your point of view to the death with a massive sword of fire (powered by the blood of your victims of course).

Your point isn't exactly "invalid" but more a fact that the people here are less than 1% of the total CG population and people dedicated to hanging out online tend to be biased towards those who want "l33t madskillz" or kudos etc. Saying that I don't like art communities either, they're far too snobbish and condescending. Good thing comics aren't seen as art then?

[Tentoumushi]

Well the alternative is you defend your point of view to the death with a massive sword of fire (powered by the blood of your victims of course).

Your point isn't exactly "invalid" but more a fact that the people here are less than 1% of the total CG population and people dedicated to hanging out online tend to be biased towards those who want "l33t madskillz" or kudos etc. Saying that I don't like art communities either, they're far too snobbish and condescending. Good thing comics aren't seen as art then?

Oh noes, the can of worms you have unleashed! *constructs a shield around you*

Meh I dunno. I just think people in genernal get too butt hurt over things, myself included in that though not with my comic, with my novel. That silly thing is my BABY and I'm still revising it after 6 years but meh. Even then, I know if someone tore it apart it would only make it stronger in the long run.

[McDuffies]

Saying that I don't like art communities either, they're far too snobbish and condescending. Good thing comics aren't seen as art then?

You poser. I see through your artistic tendencies.

[KOMP]

thing about my comic, was possibly laziness, i didn't make an interesting site around the comic,
so it wasn't attractive enough for the storyline itself... a lot of the art was lazily scanned and put together,
i ended up leaving it for about three years, because i got zero interest in it from readers... but it's the one thing
I want to finish, because the story is ingrained in my head and i needed to get it out for my sanity, haha.
So what i don't like i'm redrawing which is my first few chapters, as well as making new chapters for it.
On eof the biggest things on doing a successful webcomics is promoting it the right way, and i just didn't have the time,
knowithall to do it. Now I forgot my ftp account pass so i gotta get back on that...

it really is tough but when you have time to step away from it and study it, you can feel what makes you uncomfortable about the comic, what's true to
you as a writer/artist and how you want to tell your
story as opposed to how others think about it... not saying that readers opinions aren't important,
you should definitely take that into account. without completely sacrificing your original vision.

so for now all i do zip up the latest chapters on depositfiles until i can revamp the site.
yeah i know. ;P

[Yeahduff]

Mods, please lock thread.

Why are you lobbying so hard for this thing to be locked? It's the most interesting thing to happen to GD in years. Alright, maybe not years, but it does keep yielding good conversation fodder, and it's nice to have much of the webcartoonist angst often displayed on these forums pretty much contained to a single thread. I know I like having a single spot to go to in order to spew forth with my own over-wrought tirades.

Guess I don't find it that interesting. Thread started with a bunch of crap, got worse, and has been riding at about "inconsequential" and "repetitive" for the past eight pages.

I'll say that while it ain't the most interesting thing to happen in years by a long stretch, it's the most interesting thing happening right now, which kinda speaks to the state of the forums these days.

[Tentoumushi]

Mods, please lock thread.

Why are you lobbying so hard for this thing to be locked? It's the most interesting thing to happen to GD in years. Alright, maybe not years, but it does keep yielding good conversation fodder, and it's nice to have much of the webcartoonist angst often displayed on these forums pretty much contained to a single thread. I know I like having a single spot to go to in order to spew forth with my own over-wrought tirades.

Guess I don't find it that interesting. Thread started with a bunch of crap, got worse, and has been riding at about "inconsequential" and "repetitive" for the past eight pages.

I'll say that while it ain't the most interesting thing to happen in years by a long stretch, it's the most interesting thing happening right now, which kinda speaks to the state of the forums these days.

That bad, eh? >.> Hmmm....must think of interesting things...ah nah, not with this brain.

[McDuffies]

I don't find forums that boring currently. Certainly more interesting than through most of previous year.

[Yeahduff]

They're recovering. Still not much going on, but a big improvement over about a month ago. Your review thread is a good addition.

[K-Dawg]

You need a change Duff. I'm sending you out into the world to find some other forums, that will help fill your quota for message boards. And you can find that fun you have been missing here, trust me on that.

[Killbert-Robby]

I suggest Gaia Online

[Yeahduff]

Could you guys send me some bourbon instead?