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Sketchywallflowr wrote:As my sister once pointed out, we used to be such a naked-loving, who gives a damn species. Then the Victorian era came and we completely changed what we'd been doing for hundreds of years, and for some reason we adopted that uptight, unnatural notion.
It started far earlier than that.
It's all about the invention of reliable contraceptives. If you got knocked up out of wedlock in 1744 your life would be pretty much ruined (unless your family had the cash/clout to send you to Switzerland for a 9 month holiday).
A woman's virginity was one of the few bargaining tools she had. It was more about survival than morality.
Sketchywallflowr wrote:As my sister once pointed out, we used to be such a naked-loving, who gives a damn species. Then the Victorian era came and we completely changed what we'd been doing for hundreds of years, and for some reason we adopted that uptight, unnatural notion.
That wouldn't explain how we changed in the rest of the world, since Victorian era is a period in Brittain's history only.
Sketchywallflowr wrote:As my sister once pointed out, we used to be such a naked-loving, who gives a damn species. Then the Victorian era came and we completely changed what we'd been doing for hundreds of years, and for some reason we adopted that uptight, unnatural notion.
That wouldn't explain how we changed in the rest of the world, since Victorian era is a period in Brittain's history only.
Actually, that isn't the case. Victorian England had a huge influence on the world as a whole, and many of the things we take for granted today came from the Victorian era; that includes ideologies. Keep in mind that the Victorian era was the height of the Industrial revolution, and of English colonization.
I think the opposition to public breastfeeding is pretty simple and easy to understand. Our society regards breasts as sexual. That's why we masturbate pictures of them online, enjoy them in the privacy of our own bedrooms, and cover them sturdily when we go out. Undergarment companies market bras based on their ability to completely eliminate all nipple visibility. To have your breasts visible in public, or even to just have your nipples visible through your clothes, is to be exposed and shamed.
So we can't handle someone taking their breasts out in public and doing things with them. It just weirds us out, even if that 'thing' we're doing with them is just their natural function, feeding babies.
Meself, I like nudity just being a natural, everyday sort of thing. But you probably could have guessed that.
Warren wrote:That kind of takes the fun out of nudity if it's just natural....
Oh noes! You have discovered the Secret Nudist Agenda! I'm afraid I'll have to kill you now.
This webcomic, seen here is hosted on the free web host Comic Genesis which pretty much proves its not popular.
Oh noes! Read all about the tormented artist I am!
NakedElf wrote:I think the opposition to public breastfeeding is pretty simple and easy to understand. Our society regards breasts as sexual. That's why we masturbate pictures of them online, enjoy them in the privacy of our own bedrooms, and cover them sturdily when we go out. Undergarment companies market bras based on their ability to completely eliminate all nipple visibility. To have your breasts visible in public, or even to just have your nipples visible through your clothes, is to be exposed and shamed.
So we can't handle someone taking their breasts out in public and doing things with them. It just weirds us out, even if that 'thing' we're doing with them is just their natural function, feeding babies.
Meself, I like nudity just being a natural, everyday sort of thing. But you probably could have guessed that.
I enjoy how you use evidence to support the statement, "Our society regards breasts as sexual."
yeahduff wrote:I enjoy how you use evidence to support the statement, "Our society regards breasts as sexual."
At first I thought you were sarcastically criticizing me for not linking to any supporting citations--statistical breakdowns of how different societies see breasts, that sort of thing...
Sketchywallflowr wrote:As my sister once pointed out, we used to be such a naked-loving, who gives a damn species. Then the Victorian era came and we completely changed what we'd been doing for hundreds of years, and for some reason we adopted that uptight, unnatural notion.
That wouldn't explain how we changed in the rest of the world, since Victorian era is a period in Brittain's history only.
Actually, that isn't the case. Victorian England had a huge influence on the world as a whole, and many of the things we take for granted today came from the Victorian era; that includes ideologies. Keep in mind that the Victorian era was the height of the Industrial revolution, and of English colonization.
Regardless people were prude and conservative down here much before we started accepting influences from the west,
It goes in cycles, it pretty much has for millenia. Ancient Greece, comedies were put on, and the standard costume included a foot long leather penis hanging from below the tunic. One play I studied in my theatre arts class included, within the same page, shaved vaginas, women fondling eachother, dildos, and men walking up to these women with boners. Then it all went conservative. Now slowly we have liberal points of view becoming more and more popular. Then something will happen and we'll all turn prude again.
yeahduff wrote:I enjoy how you use evidence to support the statement, "Our society regards breasts as sexual."
At first I thought you were sarcastically criticizing me for not linking to any supporting citations--statistical breakdowns of how different societies see breasts, that sort of thing...
yeahduff? be sarcastic? never!
-D. M. Jeftinija Pharm.D., Ph.D. -- Yes, I've got two doctorates and I'm arrogant about it, what have *you* done with *your* life?
"People who don't care about anything will never understand the people who do." "yeah.. but we won't care."
"Legostar's on the first page of the guide. His opinion is worth more than both of yours."--Yeahduff
yeahduff wrote:I enjoy how you use evidence to support the statement, "Our society regards breasts as sexual."
At first I thought you were sarcastically criticizing me for not linking to any supporting citations--statistical breakdowns of how different societies see breasts, that sort of thing...
Killbert-Robby wrote:It goes in cycles, it pretty much has for millenia. Ancient Greece, comedies were put on, and the standard costume included a foot long leather penis hanging from below the tunic. One play I studied in my theatre arts class included, within the same page, shaved vaginas, women fondling eachother, dildos, and men walking up to these women with boners. Then it all went conservative. Now slowly we have liberal points of view becoming more and more popular. Then something will happen and we'll all turn prude again.
I tend to think that it's just that economical progress coincides with more liberties - more free time for leasure and for thinking, etc. Sudden conservativism of middle ages might have been a consequence of the big empire falling, with one of the most economically backward history periods following.
yeahduff wrote:I don't know where I get this reputation.
NakedElf wrote:
yeahduff wrote:I enjoy how you use evidence to support the statement, "Our society regards breasts as sexual."
At first I thought you were sarcastically criticizing me for not linking to any supporting citations--statistical breakdowns of how different societies see breasts, that sort of thing...
I kinda wish you had, now.
All the sources I can find are related to breast cancer...
Killbert-Robby wrote:It goes in cycles, it pretty much has for millenia. Ancient Greece, comedies were put on, and the standard costume included a foot long leather penis hanging from below the tunic. One play I studied in my theatre arts class included, within the same page, shaved vaginas, women fondling eachother, dildos, and men walking up to these women with boners. Then it all went conservative. Now slowly we have liberal points of view becoming more and more popular. Then something will happen and we'll all turn prude again.
I tend to think that it's just that economical progress coincides with more liberties - more free time for leasure and for thinking, etc. Sudden conservativism of middle ages might have been a consequence of the big empire falling, with one of the most economically backward history periods following.
I'm so using this analogy in my next poli sci class.
Killbert-Robby wrote:It goes in cycles, it pretty much has for millenia. Ancient Greece, comedies were put on, and the standard costume included a foot long leather penis hanging from below the tunic. One play I studied in my theatre arts class included, within the same page, shaved vaginas, women fondling eachother, dildos, and men walking up to these women with boners. Then it all went conservative. Now slowly we have liberal points of view becoming more and more popular. Then something will happen and we'll all turn prude again.
I tend to think that it's just that economical progress coincides with more liberties - more free time for leasure and for thinking, etc. Sudden conservativism of middle ages might have been a consequence of the big empire falling, with one of the most economically backward history periods following.
I'm so using this analogy in my next poli sci class.
it's a known fact that as the economy improves hemlines go up, i.e. skirts get shorter, the same being said for breasts being shown more is not unreasonable.
-D. M. Jeftinija Pharm.D., Ph.D. -- Yes, I've got two doctorates and I'm arrogant about it, what have *you* done with *your* life?
"People who don't care about anything will never understand the people who do." "yeah.. but we won't care."
"Legostar's on the first page of the guide. His opinion is worth more than both of yours."--Yeahduff
