"Own Teeth"

ZOMBIE USER 761 · Post by **ZOMBIE USER 761** » Wed Dec 27, 2000 7:36 am

he has his moments...

Pyromancy · Post by **Pyromancy** » Wed Dec 27, 2000 8:26 am

I'd noticed it before, Lee, but it didn't strike me as much as it does with today's comic. Is your conventional art style influenced by R. Crumb?

Pyromancy · Post by **Pyromancy** » Wed Dec 27, 2000 8:39 am

Dave McKean's work is pretty cool but Mr Punch was the brainchild of Gaiman, and gaiman must eventually rule the free world. Tho I guess ruling it would make it no longer free...
Anyways, I got Johnny The Homicidal Maniac: Director's Cut(by Jhonen Vasquez, check it out) for christmas from my papa-in-law to be. Bliss! Johnny is screwed up enough mentally to potnetially scare Butch. Chopping Block is my favorite webcomic. JTHM is my fave in print.------------------
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Lee Herold · Post by **Lee Herold** » Wed Dec 27, 2000 8:58 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Pyromancy:
I'd noticed it before, Lee, but it didn't strike me as much as it does with today's comic. Is your conventional art style influenced by R. Crumb?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Is that the guy who has to wake up early to make the donuts? I'm afraid I've ne'er heard of R. Crumb, bro. I'm gonna go do a search right now, tho.

Lee Herold · Post by **Lee Herold** » Wed Dec 27, 2000 9:13 am

Ah, Fritz the Cat. Cool. No, I can't really point to anyone as an influence on my drawing style. I've tried in the past to emulate people like Watterson or Breathed, but always end up just doing what feels most comfortable for me. I don't know who I've really borrowed from.The REGULAR CB style leans directly on <A HREF="http://www.chucklebait.com" TARGET=_blank>Lane Smith</A> as far as the look goes, and on Edw Gorey as far as the "feel".

Nd · Post by Nd » Wed Dec 27, 2000 11:12 am

Unpopular opinion alert:Gaiman is an untalented hack who had one good idea that he was fortunate enough to see through to fruition. A supportable opinion if needs be...McKean is brilliant even if he has gotten lazy. Squee was better, but I prefer creepy all-ages fair. FillerBunny is sublime.------------------
um, yeah...

Lee Herold · Post by **Lee Herold** » Fri Dec 29, 2000 5:41 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Pyromancy:

Anyways, I got Johnny The Homicidal Maniac: Director's Cut(by Jhonen Vasquez, check it out) for christmas from my papa-in-law to be. Bliss! Johnny is screwed up enough mentally to potnetially scare Butch. Chopping Block is my favorite webcomic. JTHM is my fave in print.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Thanks, Jae. I'd never heard of JTHM until you told me about it. I just got an email from someone else who said CB has a "JTHM feel", and I think he was saying it was derivative. From the little I've been able to find, I think CB and JTHM are very different, aside from the whole homicidal maniac thing. Do you find it derivative?'Cause if it is, I friggin' quit.

Lee Herold · Post by **Lee Herold** » Fri Dec 29, 2000 7:14 am

Thank you, Ads. I feel much better. Seriously. It was bugging me.

Michael · Post by **Michael** » Fri Dec 29, 2000 8:17 am

You can't be serious, Lee. Butch is "derivative" only in the sense that you draw on the whole of Western culture to produce him -- in that sense, Shakespeare was probably more derivative than you. Although you haven't been inventing many cool words lately, I'll grant you that.The word "derivative" is one used by poor artists to denigrate better ones, to make themselves feel better. Art in the last couple of decades has been increasingly focussed on quoting anyway, so we're all derivative in that sense. Ignore the whining of the hacks and do your thing, content in the realization that I, for one, have never heard of this Johnny guy, and couldn't care less.Just keep it up. If you quit, we'll be forced to stalk you, duct tape you to a chair, and make you un-quit. And that'd just be an ugly thing for everybody. Except Napoleon, who'd probably enjoy it, especially the defenestration part. (Trust me, if Napoleon's involved, there'll be defenestration sooner or later.)------------------
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Lee Herold · Post by **Lee Herold** » Fri Dec 29, 2000 8:21 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Michael:
Just keep it up. If you quit, we'll be forced to stalk you, duct tape you to a chair, and make you un-quit. And that'd just be an ugly thing for everybody. Except Napoleon, who'd probably enjoy it, especially the defenestration part. (Trust me, if Napoleon's involved, there'll be defenestration sooner or later.)
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I could see her taking it upon herself to start making large-scale Chopping Blocks, Jackson Pollack-style, by soaking me (still taped to the chair) in ink and repeatedly dropping me out the window, to create splatter designs on the pavement below.

Lee Herold · Post by **Lee Herold** » Fri Dec 29, 2000 9:15 am

Well, it just would've annoyed me if people were thinking I was ripping off some comic I'd never even heard of.

BoxJam · Post by **BoxJam** » Fri Dec 29, 2000 9:45 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Michael:
The word "derivative" is one used by poor artists to denigrate better ones, to make themselves feel better. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>That was very derivative of you, Michael.Well, I feel better now.------------------
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Michael · Post by **Michael** » Fri Dec 29, 2000 10:01 am

Why thank you!But that crack reminds me a lot of something I heard the other day on another forum. You're such a derivative nobody, BoxJam. Gag me with a spoon.------------------
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Napoleon · Post by **Napoleon** » Sat Dec 30, 2000 12:42 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Lee Herold:
 I could see her taking it upon herself to start making large-scale Chopping Blocks, Jackson Pollack-style, by soaking me (still taped to the chair) in ink and repeatedly dropping me out the window, to create splatter designs on the pavement below. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Dangit! Quit having the good defenestration ideas. That's MY terrimatory, dangit.Now I'll hafta do it, just because it's so wacky. Anyone wanna spot me plane fare and ten bucks to pick up some nice, strong duct tape?

Russ · Post by **Russ** » Sun Dec 31, 2000 1:29 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Lee Herold:
 Thanks, Jae. I'd never heard of JTHM until you told me about it. I just got an email from someone else who said CB has a "JTHM feel", and I think he was saying it was derivative. From the little I've been able to find, I think CB and JTHM are very different, aside from the whole homicidal maniac thing. Do you find it derivative?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Hey, I emailed you back in July when Chopping Block debuted and mentioned JTHM and Jhonen Vasquez. You probably never got it since I sent it to stguy40@hotmail.com which I don't think you have used for a long time and I never heard back...Anyway, yes JTHM is definitely well worth checking out! It's only similar to Chopping Block in that they both have a serial killer as a protagonist. Both are cool in different ways.------------------
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Pyromancy · Post by **Pyromancy** » Sun Dec 31, 2000 5:36 am

Lee, man, I'd never call your work derivative. JTHM is about a character who is so absorbed by the self absorbed double standard lifestyle that is common to the western hemisphere that he's resorted to outward sprees of violence(thus being self absorbed with his better than you monomania.)Butch on the other hand is a serial killer-esque (not quite serial as he's rather an indiscriminant killer) guy who is self absorbed and kills for the joy of it. Johnny realizes that something is wrong with him for killing and wanting to kill. Butch goes about his killing with a childlike joy and innocence (if innocent murder is possible) and has a trademark, the mask. On a side note, I also like squee. My new weekly strip that I'm doing on the side is influenced by squee more than jthm. I also highly recommend squee to anyone who likes CB.I agree also that, Lee, you shouldn't even joke about quitting.------------------
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Napoleon · Post by **Napoleon** » Sun Dec 31, 2000 10:00 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Pyromancy:
I agree also that, Lee, you shouldn't even joke about quitting.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Agreed. You've taught us the shinier side of murder, Lee. Don't make us use what we've learned on you.

Lee Herold · Post by **Lee Herold** » Mon Jan 01, 2001 8:49 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by russ:
 I sent it to stguy40@hotmail.com which I don't think you have used for a long time and I never heard back...
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Oops. Sorry, Russ. I've checked that account a couple times since then, but I don't remember your message.Sometimes I'm really good at responding to people, sometimes I royally suck at it. Sorry.

Lee Herold · Post by **Lee Herold** » Mon Jan 01, 2001 8:51 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Napoleon:
 Agreed. You've taught us the shinier side of murder, Lee. Don't make us use what we've learned on you.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Aww. That's touching... in a creepy sort of way.

Lee Herold · Post by **Lee Herold** » Mon Jan 01, 2001 8:53 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> On a side note, I also like squee. My new weekly strip that I'm doing on the side is influenced by squee more than jthm. I also highly recommend squee to anyone who likes CB.I agree also that, Lee, you shouldn't even joke about quitting.[/B]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Thanks, Jae. I've had a hard time finding much of Vasquez' work online, other than a ton of references to it. A lot of fansites & stuff, but not much content. I guess I'll have to look at Barnes & Noble or something.