AHH! ads killing my site! Mods, HELP!

[Hale]

Hey, my site, http://drhamstructo.com/ , has met all the CG requirements (to my knowledge), but suddenly and without warning an extra ad popped up out of nowhere! (above my comic)

The tags for this is not on my indextemplate.html or dailytemplate.html files and I don't have anything in the comic folders but the .jpgs of my comics, but somehow CG is putting an extra ad above my comics and it's kinda messing up my site's mojo. Also, a link saying "Hosted on Comicgenesis" appeared below the comic when I already have the required "Dr. Hamstructo is hosted on Comic Genesis, a free webhosting and site automation service for webcomics." (with a link to comicgenesis.com).

Would someone mind looking at this?

[Fortunesfools]

Hey, my site, http://drhamstructo.com/ , has met all the CG requirements (to my knowledge), but suddenly and without warning an extra ad popped up out of nowhere! (above my comic)

The tags for this is not on my indextemplate.html or dailytemplate.html files and I don't have anything in the comic folders but the .jpgs of my comics, but somehow CG is putting an extra ad above my comics and it's kinda messing up my site's mojo. Also, a link saying "Hosted on Comicgenesis" appeared below the comic when I already have the required "Dr. Hamstructo is hosted on Comic Genesis, a free webhosting and site automation service for webcomics." (with a link to comicgenesis.com).

Would someone mind looking at this?

Hey,

I see what you've done. You're showing your comic through an iframe. Is this to circumvent the advertising rules? Anyway, your various comic pages still need to have the ***advertisement*** keentag before the comic and I believe the terms of service obligate you to remove google ads from the pages hosted on ComicGenesis. So, while this will address the code issues it probably isn't the answer you were looking for.

The reason the "Dr. Hamstructo is hosted on Comic Genesis, a free webhosting and site automation service for webcomics." is coming up is because you don't have it included in the code. You need to have that somewhere on every page hosted on CG. So when CG runs its updates, it automatically notices that it is absent and places it (directly) below the comic. You can repair that easily enough by putting that line in your dailytemplate and indextemplate.

Good luck.

[Ronald_MacK]

Yeah, I'm having the same trouble with my site; Plugged Nickel. I have the banner and hosting blurbs in separate frames at the top and bottom of the page, with the inner frame changing. The ad and the information are showing on every page (except the real ultimate power parodies, which I may get rid of anyway). Is there some way to get the new ads off? I don't think it's fair to jumble up sites with double ads just because they want a cleaner site design.

Also, the ads that show for my top bar (the normal spot) are always too big, and stretch the horizontal resolution. I don't know if it's the coding a friend of mine did, or something with the ads themselves.

So yeah, I'd like to get this fixed please. My site isn't the prettiest out there, but these things aren't improving it any.

[Rkolter]

The change that was made only affects webpages that have the ***todays_comics*** tag.

If autokeen detects this tag, and DOES NOT find ***advertisement*** above it, it will ADD the ***advertisement*** tag to the top of that page, and then also add the hosted at Comic Genesis information at the bottom.

This means if you are using iframes, and have a top frame with ***advertisement*** in it, and then a lower frame where you load a html page that includes ***todays_comics*** but no advertisement tag, an advertisement tag will be added as well as a 'hosted on CG' byline at the bottom.

In the past framed sites were considered ok if they had a top frame with the advertisement in it. Or at least, they were permitted. I'm not sure how Kisai plans to handle this issue, but I will link this thread over in the admin and wrangler forum for her to see (unless the mod here already has).

[Hale]

The reason the "Dr. Hamstructo is hosted on Comic Genesis, a free webhosting and site automation service for webcomics." is coming up is because you don't have it included in the code. You need to have that somewhere on every page hosted on CG. So when CG runs its updates, it automatically notices that it is absent and places it (directly) below the comic. You can repair that easily enough by putting that line in your dailytemplate and indextemplate.

"Dr. Hamstructo is hosted on Comic Genesis, a free webhosting and site automation service for webcomics." is included in the code. I mentioned that in the initial post and it's on every one of my pages hosted on comicgenesis. It is not absent.

I see what you've done. You're showing your comic through an iframe. Is this to circumvent the advertising rules? Anyway, your various comic pages still need to have the ***advertisement*** keentag before the comic

I am using the iframe option and placing the ad on top of the site (within the iframe) via the ***include filename*** tag supplied by CG so there is already a banner on each page of the site.

and I believe the terms of service obligate you to remove google ads from the pages hosted on ComicGenesis. So, while this will address the code issues it probably isn't the answer you were looking for.

I will host an iframe html file of google ads elsewhere, my apologies for the violation.

I'm sorry, but I'd like to know if this is a permanent change to the engine so I know whether to make the necessary adjustments or look for another host. Thank you.

Also, the ads that show for my top bar (the normal spot) are always too big, and stretch the horizontal resolution. I don't know if it's the coding a friend of mine did, or something with the ads themselves.

I believe it's the CG system that decides how wide the frame is for the advertisements. It seems to be automatically determined and generated.

I don't think it's fair to jumble up sites with double ads just because they want a cleaner site design.

Seconded.

[Kisai]

I will admit that the current autokeen is not too smart. Without simulation of a web browser (which would slow it down worse) it really has no way to check.

CG's rules:
ALL advertisement code MUST be above the fold of the page.
Advertisements MUST NOT be iframed further
Advertisements MUST NOT be stacked with other advertisements
Advertisements MUST NOT be framed out (Designed in a way that the Advertisement only appears once while navigating the comic.)
Advertisements MUST NOT appear on non-content pages (error pages navigation frames and "link lists")
Advertisements MUST appear BEFORE the comic.

CG's Autokeen script rules:
Autokeen parses each tag individually
Autokeen sets "ads viewed = 0"
Each time ad tag is hit, ads viewed +1
If todays comics tags are hit before the advertisement tag, then run the advertisement tag
If ads viewed are greater than zero, do not place ad, put comment code about duplicate ad removed.

You -might- have pointed out a bug in the code however, the "include" tag was not considered in this update. I'll double check the include tag's code, because there is a "reset ads viewed to zero" after every page. Logically if the page's include tag was parsed BEFORE the todays comic, it should have incremented the ad counter, and thus we wouldn't be having this discussion. I'll be back in like an hour and I'll pick apart the include tag to see why this happened.

[Hale]

Okay, placing the ***advertisement*** tag on all of the html files instead of referenced from frames fixed the detection issue on my site. So thanks for your help

And so there's no confusion, I put the google ads inside an iframe and hosted the html file elsewhere.

[Rkolter]

Okay, placing the ***advertisement*** tag on all of the html files instead of referenced from frames fixed the detection issue on my site. So thanks for your help

And so there's no confusion, I put the google ads inside an iframe and hosted the html file elsewhere.

I think the concern with google ads is that CG doesn't want google ads appearing to be associated with your comic period, regardless of if you put them in a different frame and host the html elsewhere. That's akin to offering illegal software from your CG comic's page, and argueing that because the actual illegal file is hosted elsewhere, it's "ok".

[Mercury Hat]

Actually the "no google ads" rule has to do with Burstnet, not us.

Explained.

[Hale]

This is getting a little off topic so I'm starting a new thread http://forums.comicgenesis.com/viewtopi ... 90#1208290

[Tyras]

I'm having the same problem, but I'm not using any frames. Does the fact that my ***advertisement*** tag lies within an ***include*** tag matter?
Is there some way I can fix this, or should I go and change my site layout?

[STrRedWolf]

I betcha it is ***advertisement*** that is ***include***'ed instead of on regular files. Currently AutoKeen doesn't scan for ***include*** tags before running all tags. This will change in WolfKeen, as it treats ***include*** like C's #include preprocessing statement.

I guess I better get WolfKeen in shape ASAP...

[Ronald_MacK]

So, long and short of it, I either have to dumb my page down, or live with double ads? That kinda sucks, since with the current setup the ads appear on all my successive pages too; links, bios, contact, etc.

[STrRedWolf]

Kisai may be able to patch it until I get WolfKeen ready for the masses. Until then, hang tight.

[Tyras]

The thing I find strangest is that this problem only appears in the most-recent half of my archives. It's weird.

Ah well. A good excuse to revamp and tighten the layout.

[Ronald_MacK]

Kisai may be able to patch it until I get WolfKeen ready for the masses. Until then, hang tight.

Ah, so long as it is patchable, I shant worry then. I'll just tell readers it's a subtle hint from me to support the folks who give me hosting. Thanks.

[Rkolter]

The thing I find strangest is that this problem only appears in the most-recent half of my archives. It's weird.

Ah well. A good excuse to revamp and tighten the layout.

I can explain that. The regular update updates the previous 30 days of comics. Your comic started on 7/1/2006, so it's roughly 60 days old. Thus, the first half won't have updated and won't change, but the second half will have updated and will change.

[STrRedWolf]

The thing I find strangest is that this problem only appears in the most-recent half of my archives. It's weird.

Ah well. A good excuse to revamp and tighten the layout.

Ryan got it there, which I belive WolfKeen does have it fixed (if your daily/weekly templates change, it will do a full archive update). I'll double check it later.

[Tyras]

Problem solved. In retrospect, putting the ad tag within an include tag just seems silly. Live and learn, I suppose.

[Ronald_MacK]

The funny thing is... I prefer the new ads contents to the old ones. It seems like my iframe ads are only about phone services and crappy flash ads, but the new ads are sometimes about keenspot comics, the store, etc. That's the kind of ads I'd like to see on it more often.