Just a few questions concerning Yiffburg as a whole

[Gildedtongue]

As much as I'm not into BDSM myself... as I understand it, the act(s) are about one thing, trust. The dominating party needs to trust the submitting party that they'll be honest in both their pain, and when they've had too much. The Submitting party needs to trust the dominating party that they'll stop when the safeword is said.

Anyway, as far as taboo areas are concerned in Yiffburg, how I see it is that there are some bounderies (Non consentual acts and acts against children), and those bounderies are highly enforced. Imagine it like a very open corral, but the edges are lined with electric razor wire. You have plenty of room to roam... just keep out of the uber extreme.

I'm also pretty sure, by the events seen, that really only the 'vanillia' stuff is exposed to the total general public. Watersports, electroshock, leather gimp suits, et cetera might be even too taboo for the streets.

But... I'm not Mr. Ellis, now am I? *smirks*

[KatEllis]

I'm also pretty sure, by the events seen, that really only the 'vanillia' stuff is exposed to the total general public. Watersports, electroshock, leather gimp suits, et cetera might be even too taboo for the streets.

But... I'm not Mr. Ellis, now am I? *smirks*

You'd better not be. I have enough trouble being me as it is without any
others trying it. O_O But as I said before. what's "vanilla" to my readers
is a raging smutfest to others. The reason that there's not a lot of what
would qualify as "kink" in Yiffburg is because... there just isn't. As big a
place as the world is, there very likely could be places where elaborate
rubber items, creative uses of household appliances and extremes of
physiological interactions were the public norm. They aren't taboo per se
in Yiffburg; it's just that there aren't that many interested in them. My
little time-space continuum is the product of my own imagination; I haven't
marked such things as awful, hideous, distasteful, not in my comic dammit,
or anything else like that. They're just not the way my mind works.

[Fruvous]

You'd better not be. I have enough trouble being me as it is without any
others trying it. O_O But as I said before. what's "vanilla" to my readers
is a raging smutfest to others. The reason that there's not a lot of what
would qualify as "kink" in Yiffburg is because... there just isn't. As big a
place as the world is, there very likely could be places where elaborate
rubber items, creative uses of household appliances and extremes of
physiological interactions were the public norm. They aren't taboo per se
in Yiffburg; it's just that there aren't that many interested in them. My
little time-space continuum is the product of my own imagination; I haven't
marked such things as awful, hideous, distasteful, not in my comic dammit,
or anything else like that. They're just not the way my mind works.

So basically, there isn't anything like that in Yiffburg because you, personally, are not into those sorts of things and this is, after all, your sandbox and you'll put in what you like.

That's perfectly legitimate. I don't agree with your take on kink always coming from sexual repression, but again, this is your toy and your game, not mine, and if you say there's no BDSM or watersports in Yiffburg, there isn't, end of story.

[Iron Basilisk]

Firs id like to say ive loved the comic for a good long time and finally got up the guts to register here.
Ive read this thread and figgured this was a good enough place as any to make my first berzerk post. Myself i never really thought there was much of a problem with the plot line of Yiffburg, everyone wonders where the kids are, why people arent so violent as they are other places. If you give it some thought there are some simple straightforward explanations. im not saying im dictating the plot or anything but these seem to be the simplest answers.
I always thought that for the most part when we see Yiffburg we are dealing with the "Downtown" section, which is compleatly reserved for adults. Like any city no matter how big or small it is made up of many sections, working sections, living sections and so on. Myself i thought we see no children is simply because they are raised in the suburbs, a place where open yiffing is far more restrained than it is downtown. couples that are going to have a child move to the suburbs and raise them there, coming downtown to have a night on the town while a babysitter takes care of there offspring. there you go, problem solved...
As for the lack of crime, just ask yourself this. What substance is taken by virtually every inhabitant of yiffburg on a daily basis? Correct. Boinkberries. Now we know that they prevent pregnancy and highten feelings of phisical pleasure and love but we also know that they have other interesting effects. What if they somehow limit agression and perhaps even cause a universal disgust at the thought of doing harm to another person? we know that the boinkberries are unique to the area of Yiffburg and have some connection to the strange beings known as the gods of yiff. It seems to me that the people of Yiffburg seem to have alot more empathy towards one another, could they infact have an ability to sense the emotions of everyone around them caused by decades of boinkberry use? only Mr Katellis can tell

[ItaX]

heheh...Fleecer won't be able to resist Yiffburg it seems, not after that pleasent sightseeing. The scene of the family picniking was just beautiful...I swear I could feel a little of their relaxation and peace. Great work Kat, like always.

[Dazmarne]

heheh...Fleecer won't be able to resist Yiffburg it seems, not after that pleasent sightseeing. The scene of the family picniking was just beautiful...I swear I could feel a little of their relaxation and peace. Great work Kat, like always.

Well, Hokumm asked Fleecer if he was happy where he was, and Fleecer didn't answer. There appear to be many wondrous answers around him in Yiffburg. I don't blame readers for wanting to go there. ^_^

(The family picnic is especially charming. If I'm not in error, that is the first indication in the comic that there are indeed children in Yiffburg!)

[Sslaxx]

heheh...Fleecer won't be able to resist Yiffburg it seems, not after that pleasent sightseeing. The scene of the family picniking was just beautiful...I swear I could feel a little of their relaxation and peace. Great work Kat, like always.

Well, Hokumm asked Fleecer if he was happy where he was, and Fleecer didn't answer. There appear to be many wondrous answers around him in Yiffburg. I don't blame readers for wanting to go there. ^_^

(The family picnic is especially charming. If I'm not in error, that is the first indication in the comic that there are indeed children in Yiffburg!)

I thought that was quite a well done piece of the strip today. And Fleecer, hopefully, will be not just happier, but much happier, than he was previously!

[KatEllis]

heheh...Fleecer won't be able to resist Yiffburg it seems, not after that pleasent sightseeing. The scene of the family picniking was just beautiful...I swear I could feel a little of their relaxation and peace. Great work Kat, like always.

I do my best to make my little city as real to the readers as it is to me.
There are few more effective storytelling devices than delineating the first impressions of a visitor to a place which the readers already know. They'll see faces familiar to the readers, they'll also see things completely new,
and quite a bit more...

[AmyStereo]

Hmmm, you've touched upon some interesting angles to this, Amy. (touch them.... they like it!)

My hope is that others take the time to think about things that should be considered, no matter how unpleasant.

I think what we're getting at here is that in someplace like Yiffburg, it's not so much about what specific things folks get up to, but how 'kinky' it is... you can do anything at all out of innocent fun, or bizarre compulsion, or anything in between. If the element of shame/forbidden/lust is removed, it make remove some of the 'spice' of certain activities, but the other levels of enjoyment would still be intact.

Quite true, and this is borne out historically, I might add. An example of this, interestingly, is bustlines- In more socially-conservative periods, (such as the 1950s, for example), hourglass figures, particularly bustlines, were pronounced to the point of exaggeration, whereas in liberal times (the '60s), a far more modest form of women's shapes became more prevalent. This, of course, is a more visible, if rather tame, example... But then again, THE "Bondage Queen" of all time was none other than Betty Paige, who was popular in the '50s.

Take BDSM. Regardless of whether you feel sex is dirty and shameful, or have self-esteem issues, or anything, it could still be fun to tie each other up or even flog one another from a strictly playful, roleplaying and exploration point of view. As long as everything's consentual, and everyone is having a great time, why not?

I have no problem with that, as long as it is consentual. Not my cup o' tea, since I take no pleasure in pain (mine or anyone else's) or in something that at least on the face of it, seems non-consentual. (I would never do anything to anyone without consent- I'm rather firm on that.)

This does lead to another question, however. There'd be certain activities which, if you're not into them, might well put other people off their boinkberries, so to speak. Things like adult-baby, watersports, scat, some forms of BDSM, etc might well need to have their own little specialty areas, and folks would just know or be told that if you don't want to be exposed to certain things,don't go certain places... certain neighborhoods, hangouts, parts of the park, etc.

Quite acceptable- Much like saying that if you don't like what's on TV, you can always chaing the dial or turn it off. (Probably the kinkiest for me is that I like watching females pee, and that's about my limit, there.)

And there's still the sticky issue of children, of course. (Damn sticky kids, getting their grubby paws all over the place... ). Myself, I think the simplest solution is simply to make Yiffburg an adults-only playground. Admittedly, this makes it less of its own self-sufficient utopia, but I can't see any other solution that folks would accept.

This brings up about what are the possible psycological limits of such taboos. (I'll get into this much more deeply in another post.)

You'd better not be. I have enough trouble being me as it is without any
others trying it. O_O But as I said before. what's "vanilla" to my readers
is a raging smutfest to others. The reason that there's not a lot of what
would qualify as "kink" in Yiffburg is because... there just isn't. As big a
place as the world is, there very likely could be places where elaborate
rubber items, creative uses of household appliances and extremes of
physiological interactions were the public norm. They aren't taboo per se
in Yiffburg; it's just that there aren't that many interested in them. My
little time-space continuum is the product of my own imagination; I haven't
marked such things as awful, hideous, distasteful, not in my comic dammit,
or anything else like that. They're just not the way my mind works.

So basically, there isn't anything like that in Yiffburg because you, personally, are not into those sorts of things and this is, after all, your sandbox and you'll put in what you like.

I'm going to come at this as a fellow writer, because, as anyone knows about world-building, you have to establish a sufficient groundwork to explain why the world in your stories works as it does. K&KB started without anything resembling a world background, and wouldn't for some time- It was just the fun adventures of two erstwhile foxes involving sex- Mostly gag-a-strip comics. As it evolved into stories, particularly complex stories, a need for explaining why things are in Yiffburg the way they are- The apparent lack of stigma over sex and sexuality, particularly, when much of the rest of the world Yiffburg is in still suffers from this stigma.

Using real-world examples, it's known that the behaviours and values we take into our adult lives is shaped very early in life, and even those who seem to live certain lifestyles are still affected, even stigmatised, by what they grew up with.

So for a place like Yiffburg to exist, where no-one native to it bears any stigma about sex, seeing others have sex, or being seen by others while having sex, it's something learned early on in life. At least early enough to understand that sex is NOT wrong, that it can be fun, and that it's alright to share that experience.

Do I think there should be no taboos in such a society? No- There needs to be practical limits- especially anything that causes real harm or is coerced (physically and/or emotionally) or is done without real (not implied) consent.

That's perfectly legitimate. I don't agree with your take on kink always coming from sexual repression, but again, this is your toy and your game, not mine, and if you say there's no BDSM or watersports in Yiffburg, there isn't, end of story.

I'm in agreement with Frouvus, here- I could even say- and this might not earn me any points here- that the "vanilla" nature of this strip may indeed come from sexual repression in its own right.

Amy. <:3 )~~8~