You know what I hate...?

[RantinAn]

Well. Anyway, right now what I hate is the mere idea that people cannot have a good time without alcohol. (Yes, non-drinker here. :O!!!) And I hate being told by my parents that people will hate my parties if we don't serve alcohol. God forbid they enjoy spending time with me, talking, eating... the things I used to do at parties. :/

Sorry... But your parents are right. You choose not to drink, that's fine. But most people are uneasy around people who don't drink -at all-. It's an excess, just like drinking all the time... And while I'm not saying you're this way, drunks are usually not nearly as smug and preachy as abstainers.

If you (generic you) invite me to a party, I may or may not drink... Statistically, I guess I have about three or four guinesses, about once every two or three weeks... But if you invite me to a party and tell me "There will be absolutely no drinking!" I'm probably going to be busy that night... Not because I can't have a good time without drinking, but because there's just no reason for that kind of extremeism.

By the way.. When you say:

God forbid they enjoy spending time with me, talking, eating... the things I used to do at parties. :/

Your extremeism, prejudice, and ignorance (on this subject) are showing. Nothing about having a glass of wine or beer prevents anyone from talking, eating, socializing, enjoying the company of others, or even speaking in an intelligent and intellectual way on complex, weighty issues. It's not as if people go from in-control to dancing naked on the table at the first sip of wine.

Or ya know, somone could have like, oh say a terrible alergic reaction to alchol, and so choose not to drink. INdeed someone may react so badly to it htat the small of alchol in the air after people have been drinking can trigger a reactoin, meening that a teatotling party is now somewhat of a nesisity if the person the party is for is going to enjoy it. Admitedly this doesent preclude gettingintoxicated on another aproprate substience. but honor hon, not everybody CAN drink. and if oyu came to a party i was hosting you WOULDNT be drinking. For the precise same reasons i just spieled off. Not becasue i give a good rats ass if you dirnk or not, or if you;re drunk or not. but because of hte smell.

[Vzg]

I seem to be earning enemies everywehre.

Oh, well. I'll pick up my things and go.

[Ce6]

I seem to be earning enemies everywehre.

Oh, well. I'll pick up my things and go.

No need to be so hasty. Our dear Honor can tend to be a bit too dominant for her own good at times, she's picked apart pretty much everyone's point on something around here at one point or another.

[Putaro]

I seem to be earning enemies everywehre.

Oh, well. I'll pick up my things and go.

Oh no, you can't just hit and run like that. You haven't had enough

***TENTACLE RAPE***!!!

We throw parties fairly often and the mention of alcohol doesn't really enter into the invitations anymore. Depending on my mood we may or may not have beer around and someone may or may not show up with a bottle of wine. Some people drink, some people don't.

Damnit, now I want a beer.

[Vzg]

I'm sorry. I have had a boring morning, a good day, and a bad night. I am tired, emotionally drained, whiny, and absolute shit at debate, so I usually tend to take a full retreat instead of trying to... um. Do anything, really. But I always come back for one last comment.

I have been enjoying the tentacle rape, though...

[Mangaddict]

Helmet laws, would I ride without one, never. Should everyone be forced to wear a helmet? No! But I also shouldn't have to pay for your medical bills on medicare/caid when you get injured and didn't wear adequate protection. Same goes for seat belts, etc.

I hate to say this but I do smirk at people who don't wear helmets and call them idiots. But what really really pisses me the fuck off is when I see someone taking their child out on a bike (motorcycle) and the child isn't wearing a helmet. I just want to go up to them with a sledgehammer. You don't want to protect yourself fine. Your child on the other hand doesn't have the cognitive capacity to weigh looking dumb against safety. Worst case I saw was when this (no swearwords bad enough.... dammit! Fuck!) was wearing a helmet with an eight-ish year old behind him without one. Urge to kill so overpowering if I could have stopped and hurt him I would have.

[Lowky]

Helmet laws, would I ride without one, never. Should everyone be forced to wear a helmet? No! But I also shouldn't have to pay for your medical bills on medicare/caid when you get injured and didn't wear adequate protection. Same goes for seat belts, etc.

I hate to say this but I do smirk at people who don't wear helmets and call them idiots. But what really really pisses me the fuck off is when I see someone taking their child out on a bike (motorcycle) and the child isn't wearing a helmet. I just want to go up to them with a sledgehammer. You don't want to protect yourself fine. Your child on the other hand doesn't have the cognitive capacity to weigh looking dumb against safety. Worst case I saw was when this (no swearwords bad enough.... dammit! Fuck!) was wearing a helmet with an eight-ish year old behind him without one. Urge to kill so overpowering if I could have stopped and hurt him I would have.

I agree with you on this. Kids don't have the ability to make informed decisions on things like this. Car seats, seat belts and helmets should be mandatory until at least age 16.

[Honor]

I seem to be earning enemies everywehre.

Oh, well. I'll pick up my things and go.

I'll come back and answer other people's silliness later, but this one's important...

No! There's absolutely no enmity whatsoever in my post to you, hon. Just conversation...

Hang out and feel welcome. I'll even give you my share of any penis that comes along.

*rape*

[Wilmo]

yay for us all

[Honor]

yay for us all

*cries* Did Wilmo just cheer at the idea that I wasn't going to touch his penis?

But most people are uneasy around people who don't drink -at all-.

Isn't that their problem?

Depends... On whether they are so uneasy that they can't be around them, or who wants to spend time with whom. If the one person (generic) you really want to spend time with is a santimonious turd, then it's (generic) your problem...

On the other hand, if nobody wants to spend time with someone because they are an insufferably sanctimonious turd, then it's that sanctimonious turd's problem, isn't it?

But, because it is socially acceptable, as you point out below, then, by definition, the person who insists on abstinance in anyone who shares their company is the one being unreasonable.

It's an excess, just like drinking all the time...

How? How is not doing something, just because it's something socially acceptable and often expected, as bad as never being able to go without a drink?

Actually, your whole post is a better illustration of my point than my following explanation is, but just the same...

Because... If they could just not drink, that'd be fine. But that never seems to be enough fun for them. They have to get all snippy and high and mighty and "OoOoOoh, noo... I don't drink..." and say things like "never be able to go without a drink".

I mean, seriously. How many people have you met who are unable to go without a drink? Why must any preference you don't share always be painted as a compulsion to give it an air of uncontrolled weakness?

The subtle-as-a-sledgehammer misassumptioon that they are better because they don't drink is the whole, entire problem.

I have met a surprising number of people who can't deal with the fact that I don't get drunk.

First, drink /= get drunk. Second, There will always be turds on both sides of the lawn... But, personally, I've met a whole hell of a lot more people who get snooty and superior about not drinking than about drinking.

What if she's a recovering alcoholic and can't be around booze without lapsing?

That's a cop-out and a crock of shit. It's not epilepsy. The correct form of the sentence is "What if (said person) is an alcoholic and is too weak to be around booze without lapsing." Like my father (mostly) was. Saying alcoholism is a "disease" is like saying "bad temper" is a disease. It's a proclivity... A tendancy.

And yes. I tend to be as considerate of those people as reasonably possible. I don't offer them drinks or buy them wine for the holidays. But going to the radical extreme where I'm an asshole if I drink within their eyesight is bullshit.

What if a lot of her friends can't seem to partake without getting heavily drunk and she doesn't like that atmosphere?

Then she needs a better class of friends. Plain and simple.

...however a lot of people consider the purpose of a party to get drunk and do nothing else.

same answer as above.

If vzg wishes to indicate that hers will not be that kind of party, that's up to her. Of course it's equally your right to decide not to attend teetotaler parties, but what's your problem with her deciding what she does and doesn't do presumably in her own home?

Absolutely right, and I neither have, nor stated any problem with her doing as she wishes in her own home. I simply said, quite correctly, that her parents were right to point out that she was limiting probable attendance by doing so.

Oh... And welcome.

*strap-on-rape!*

Now that I do like to see.

*strap-on-rapes Indigo, just to show the love (and because it's so darned enjoyable to do so!)*

...and if oyu came to a party i was hosting you WOULDNT be drinking. For the precise same reasons i just spieled off. Not becasue i give a good rats ass if you dirnk or not, or if you;re drunk or not. but because of hte smell.

Um... So you're saying you have this allergy to alcohol that is so outrageously strong that even a few parts per million in the air you breathe will cause you to... burst into plames, or whatever?

So... You like... Can't use Nyquil or Listerine or rubbing alcohol, or eat in 90-odd percent of decent resturants, or go to faires or most public sporting events...?

Yeah... Ok, sure. If true, I'd go along with not drinking in the presence of someone like that. Which means, of course, that I'd mostly not spend such events as it was typical to have a glass of wine at in their company. (wow... that was a convoluted sentence...)

But I really hate it when someone uses the words "allergic to" or "makes me sick" because they feel it has more "punch" than "I don't care for..."

I broke up with one psycho bitch, in (small) part, because she couldn't seem to make the honest distinction between "I'm allergic to mushrooms." and "I'm not possessed of a sophisticated enough pallette to enjoy mushrooms." But, really, that was just a symptom of her delusional, bullshit, near-compulsive liar, just completely fucking psycho whole personality.

[Aeridus]

Some people really are allergic to alcohol. Or at least the impurities inside them.

My dad's face turns red whenever he even has a sip of alcohol!

[JohnnyTwoEyes]

But I really hate it when someone uses the words "allergic to" or "makes me sick" because they feel it has more "punch" than "I don't care for..."

Oooh, I hate that too. I know some people who will occasionally claim to have an allergy to <insert ingredient> just to make sure they get certain toppings or sides just the way they want them. It pisses me off to no end.

I am allergic to (and i mean actually "shows up on an allergy test" allergic): cats, dogs, dust mites, ragweed, feathers, peanuts, sulfa (used in burn creams), marijuana, bullshit, and a couple other things. I know how debilitating an allergy to be; it's not something to abuse for your own ends.

Edit: and for those who might not have figured, bullshit is a joke. I used to work at a farm shovelling the stuff; i'm not allergic to literal bovine feces.

[Toawa]

I'd have to agree; allergies are not something to toy with. (Particularly when you have the asthmatic sort, like me and cats.) I know it takes 10-15 minutes of exposure, at least, before I start feeling the effects. (It's slow-onset, slow-recovery, from my experience. No, I've never been officialy diagnosed. No, I'm not going to let that stop me from saying I'm allergic to cats.) Even so, I won't step foot into a house with cats, will leave as soon as I find out it has cats, and try very hard not to breathe when I do have to be in a house with cats (for the time it takes me to get from point A to point Door.)

Natually, I don't have anything against cats, or people who own them, and it's rather unfortunate because several of my friends have cats, so I can't go to their houses, but (as I learned the night I decided to outsmart the allergy by loading up on anti-histimines before spending four hours in a cat-owning friend's house... bad idea) you don't fuck with allergies.

As for you, vzg, Welcome, and don't worry, sometimes things get a bit heated, but no one here really means eachother any malice. (Usually). Otherwise, I'd probably be a cinder by now. Also, I'm with you on the alcohol thing...

::Toawa's production studio appears around the welcoming... activities::

Now, if you could kindly move the production to in front of this camera; I'm still short on footage for this month's release.

[Honor]

Some people really are allergic to alcohol. Or at least the impurities inside them.

My dad's face turns red whenever he even has a sip of alcohol!

Actually, as a side note, I think (or, more accurately, I wouldn't be surprised) not many people are "allergic" to it... I think it's just different levels of sensitivity and tolerance to what is, actually, a mild poison. If you've ever been drinking with a full blooded Japanese person or Amerind you've seen slightly different specificities of this effect at work.

IIRC, an "allergy", technically speaking, is when your body has developed a hypersensitivity to something. An "intolerance" is something you were born with. (And no, T, I agree, you don't need a doctor to tell you if your airways are really shutting down when Fluffy's around.

But to re-clarify, the only sort I have any issue with are the creepy, self-righteous teetotalers... And not even because they are annoying gits... But rather because that kind of noxious behaviour is usually baggage for much less savory psychological underpinnings.

[Kite-san]

...and if oyu came to a party i was hosting you WOULDNT be drinking. For the precise same reasons i just spieled off. Not becasue i give a good rats ass if you dirnk or not, or if you;re drunk or not. but because of hte smell.

Um... So you're saying you have this allergy to alcohol that is so outrageously strong that even a few parts per million in the air you breathe will cause you to... burst into plames, or whatever?

So... You like... Can't use Nyquil or Listerine or rubbing alcohol, or eat in 90-odd percent of decent resturants, or go to faires or most public sporting events...?

Yeah... Ok, sure. If true, I'd go along with not drinking in the presence of someone like that. Which means, of course, that I'd mostly not spend such events as it was typical to have a glass of wine at in their company. (wow... that was a convoluted sentence...)

But I really hate it when someone uses the words "allergic to" or "makes me sick" because they feel it has more "punch" than "I don't care for..."

I broke up with one psycho bitch, in (small) part, because she couldn't seem to make the honest distinction between "I'm allergic to mushrooms." and "I'm not possessed of a sophisticated enough pallette to enjoy mushrooms." But, really, that was just a symptom of her delusional, bullshit, near-compulsive liar, just completely fucking psycho whole personality.

actually, it's me who has that allergy, and Rantin who's stopped drinking at home because of it.

we lack an exact figure for how much in the air causes me to, admittedly, not burst into flames, but have intense stomach cramps and vomiting. however, as a rough figure, sufficient alcohol seeps through the wall we share with the house next door that when they have a party, the fumes that come into our house are potent enough that i have to stay out of the house to keep my food down.

I cannot use Nyquil. I cannot use most mouthwashes. it gets REALLY fucked up when i need to get a flu shot or a blood test done, because i react badly to large concentrations of iodine as well, so i deal with the alcohol allergy and get the shot and then use an icepack on my arm for the next two days to keep the swelling down, and painkillers for the burning agony, because it's the lesser of the two evils, the iodine reaction takes upwards of a week before i have full use of my arm again)

I cannot go out to dinner in most restaraunts that serve alcohol, lunch usually is manageable, because there isn't as much alcohol served then, and in small restaraunts without enough airflow, no, i can't do that either.

fairs: likely no, haven't tried due to the reputation for being free-flowing with the booze.

sporting events: well, before i left the US, no, i couldn't, but here they're supposedly completely alcohol free in the name of family-friendly, so i probably can.

i don't like it. most of the people i care about do enjoy a recreational drink or two, and i feel guilty about the fact that they can't enjoy themselves as much as they'd like on my behalf. but we play the hand we're dealt, as it were, and i got dealt an allergy to alcohol.

on a less significant note, i dislike mushrooms. almost as much as i dislike the people who cheapen the term 'allergy' by using it in its place, that's something we can agree on.


EDIT: okay, fine, i have an incredible intolerance for alcohol. i think i stil prefer the term allergy for being used for it beign a chemical intolerance rather than a moral one, since far too many have co-opted intolerance to default to moral rather htan anythign else.

[Honor]

I cannot go out to dinner in most restaraunts that serve alcohol, lunch usually is manageable, because there isn't as much alcohol served then, and in small restaraunts without enough airflow, no, i can't do that either.

Yeah... can you believe as recently as my father's time, they used to have two or three martinis at lunch, then go back to work...? I can't help but think there used to be some pretty fupped uck memos being issued in the afternoons back then.

EDIT: okay, fine, i have an incredible intolerance for alcohol. i think i stil prefer the term allergy for being used for it beign a chemical intolerance rather than a moral one, since far too many have co-opted intolerance to default to moral rather htan anythign else.

I dunno... It sounds like it might more fit the classic definition of an actual allergy, at those sensitivity levels. But I'd also have to at least with your point on the currently popular misuse of the word "intolerance".

How about volatility...? If someone goes out and gets plowed, then comes over to your house the next day... So you can still smell the "booze" on them, but it's more the smell of the combined ingredients... Is there still enough volatility to the "alcohol" coming from their pores to bother you?

(Or, really, in a case like that, it wouldn't surprise me terribly much if you had a mild reaction to the smell of non-alcoholic wines and beers... Your nose identifies the beverage, and your body "knows" full well what's coming, so you might get a "preparatory" reaction...)

[JohnnyTwoEyes]

it gets REALLY fucked up when i need to get a flu shot or a blood test done, because i react badly to large concentrations of iodine as well, so i deal with the alcohol allergy and get the shot and then use an icepack on my arm for the next two days to keep the swelling down, and painkillers for the burning agony, because it's the lesser of the two evils, the iodine reaction takes upwards of a week before i have full use of my arm again

I know what that's like. I used to get allergy shots and they'd leave a knot in my arm the size of a baseball for the next couple weeks. Made it look like I had an awesome bicep, but hurt like a sumbitch.

i don't like it. most of the people i care about do enjoy a recreational drink or two, and i feel guilty about the fact that they can't enjoy themselves as much as they'd like on my behalf.

Tell them if they want to drink, they should bring some meth instead. Nice, delicious meth.

Don't feel guilty; instead, think of all the times it has gotten you out of being the designated driver.

[Kite-san]

Yeah... can you believe as recently as my father's time, they used to have two or three martinis at lunch, then go back to work...? I can't help but think there used to be some pretty fupped uck memos being issued in the afternoons back then.

no trouble believing that at all, however, form my observation sof the current way of things 'round here, that's definately the exception rather than the rule (and a meeting being that decadent isn't going to be in the discount end of chinatown anyway)

How about volatility...? If someone goes out and gets plowed, then comes over to your house the next day... So you can still smell the "booze" on them, but it's more the smell of the combined ingredients... Is there still enough volatility to the "alcohol" coming from their pores to bother you?

(Or, really, in a case like that, it wouldn't surprise me terribly much if you had a mild reaction to the smell of non-alcoholic wines and beers... Your nose identifies the beverage, and your body "knows" full well what's coming, so you might get a "preparatory" reaction...)

no next day reaction has yet to happen, but then, i've generally made it patently clear my position on alcohol (ie: in another room, preferably another building) to those i know who're likely to come over, so have never had it truly tested. i've helped nurse people over hangovers late in the day, but then, i don't know how much they drank to cause it.

there's certainly some things that're worse than others. the sake from the local asian grocer, for example, i'm okay so long as it's opposite the room, and has been heavily dilute din mixed drink form. a different brand of sake at a restaraunt, and i went to hide in the bathroom until the smell went away, and i haven't a clue where in the restaraunt it got ordered.

as far as whether there's a prepretory reaction, i don't know. every alcoholic drink i have ever smelled has smelled exactly the same to me (admittedly, judgement clouded by imminent sudden nausea and need to find somewhere to throw up, but vaguely the point holds) to me it's all paint thinner (which again, not a product i can use safely).

do i react to non-alcoholic wines and beers? hell if i know. my guess is that any prepretory reaction would be a psychosomatically induced one, as i've got a number of other known thingummies of that sort (some more fun than others, having a 'second input set' of sorts that one can almost turn on and off at will for feeling RPs makes for very interesting cybering, for example ), so i would guess that so long as i know there isn't alcohol there, i'm not going to have a false positive... though i wouldn't be surprised if knowing it IS present lowers the minimum threshold of the reaction sizeably.

[WangyJohn]

Here we go. A thread for bitching.

You know what I hate...? All these ratty-ass looking kids wearing tuques* all the time. Great hat when it's cold outside, but how'd the ugly little fucker become high fashion?

(Knit cap or sock cap for the "...whaddya mean someone else had it first?" Americans in the crowd.)

Hey, better than the stupid tight black beanies with stupid texts people have here.

A tuque can look allright if applied right.
btw, thanks, I wondered what it's called in english, as, you know, I don't speak english as my first language.

[WangyJohn]

Oh, on the alcohol discussion:

I myself, am straightedge. But I'm not smug or extremist about it. I was at a rock festival last weekend (during which, I also joined Greenpeace and Attac), I painted a black X on my hand, just to give a short explanation for stuff.

Personally, I just don't really like alcohol. Sure, I could have bit every now and then, but for a few years from now, with my studies and shit coming up, I'll go dry. As an act of diciplin, as well as saving money. besides, I've had way too much first hand experience on how stupid people act when drunk. Also smokes, I have asthma. That also eliminates pot, and I wouldn't really like to try anything harder (LSD, MAYBE, but I won't activly try to get some).