Has the scientific method been discovered?

TMLutas · Post by **TMLutas** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 11:58 am

Fen's current troubles with remembering the (likely symphonic) ultra-complex piece of music he got on his first watch could largely be repaired by approaching what he *does* remember scientifically. The question is whether this approach has been internalized in society. From what he's already described of the piece we know it is:

1. complex
2. multiple song lines
3. has large numbers of the same instruments playing together creating a complex interplay of music
4. seems to come from everywhere

Now if you took a piece and played it with 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, etc instruments, you can pretty quickly get an appreciation of volume, harmony, how much do you actually have to scale before you start getting that "wall of sound" effect. Systematize and experiment and you'll be using the rath as it's intended, as *inspiration* instead of just a transcription opportunity for your betters to pore over.

Now once you get a handle on how many strings you need before you get a complex interplay that provides something new, do the same thing with woodwinds and then combine the two, three, and so on sections.

By experimenting, composing, playing with complexity to see how things change when you scale up the number of participants in a piece, you can replicate the experience without necessarily replicating a single line in the symphonic segment.

I wonder if Kel's artificer mind will throw Fen a clue and put him on the right track.

Bobcat · Post by **Bobcat** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 11:54 pm

I think his main problem is the lack of any frames of reference. Their music is probably very mideval, in that you have either one person playing, or you have multiple people playing, but it's all basically the same notes. Something that large and complex is a couple orders of magnitude beyond his comprehension..

... that and he was likely sleep-deprived at the time.

TMLutas · Post by **TMLutas** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 11:57 am

Bobcat wrote:I think his main problem is the lack of any frames of reference. Their music is probably very mideval, in that you have either one person playing, or you have multiple people playing, but it's all basically the same notes. Something that large and complex is a couple orders of magnitude beyond his comprehension..

... that and he was likely sleep-deprived at the time.

Well Ralph is obviously taking things in a different direction but why should that stop us from thinking about an alternative? Even if it were beyond his current comprehension, Fen could probably advance the state of the art immensely by scientific experimentation to recreate the feelings that he got from listening to that piece.

He may be the first in his school to realize that certain things *can* be done, certain sound effects *can* be created. This makes things infinitely easier. Stick a helicopter in front of Leonardo Da Vinci for 30 seconds and have it fly away, never to be seen again. He will not understand it. He will be 9/10ths of the way to replicating it because he knows certain surface facts that are essential to maintaining the discipline and direction to create the thing.

T.s.a.o · Post by **T.s.a.o** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 4:13 pm

hence you can understand the weird descriptions of Relevation as something futristic- although I perfer my own literalist fantasies...

TMLutas · Post by **TMLutas** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 6:16 am

t.s.a.o wrote:hence you can understand the weird descriptions of Relevation as something futristic- although I perfer my own literalist fantasies...

Relevation?

Maxgoof · Post by **Maxgoof** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 7:14 am

TMLutas wrote:
t.s.a.o wrote:hence you can understand the weird descriptions of Relevation as something futristic- although I perfer my own literalist fantasies...
Relevation?

Yes. Relevation is very futristic.

TMLutas · Post by **TMLutas** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 11:56 am

maxgoof wrote:
TMLutas wrote:
t.s.a.o wrote:hence you can understand the weird descriptions of Relevation as something futristic- although I perfer my own literalist fantasies...
Relevation?
Yes. Relevation is very futristic.

The colloquial version of "I'll do it" in romanian sounds obscene in english. What you just wrote reads obscene in romanian.

Isn't bilingualism grand

Revelation is always going to be futuristic. It hasn't happened yet, after all. It's also fantastic, as it's a peek into Heaven, something any christian will have the occasional fantasy about. How symbolic and how literal it is, well, I guess we'll find out eventually.