March 12 - Thunderous

Lee M · Post by **Lee M** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 5:49 pm

Squeaky Bunny wrote:
Madmoonie wrote:1812 Overture, all the way.
Naw, too many cannon. It's either Dvorak's Symphony #9 (New World) or the Moody Blues "Days of Future Past"

Ahem. "Days of Future Passed".

Dragoncry · Post by **Dragoncry** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 7:18 pm

There is an interesting story my dad would tell, of a man at a horse race track. See there was one of the tickets they give, for betting on the race. He found it, outside the ticket stands, picked it up, and went to the race. Never bet on horses, never had any desire to.

The ticket the man picked up one, and won BIG.

The story then goes that from that day forward he would be wandering outside the ticket booths, looking for tickets. All the money that he won rotted, as he kept hunting for another big one.

It's good the Fen heard it. It's great that he wants to hear it again. Instead of trying to copy it he should take a small piece of it and then build on it... learn, don't rot trying to catch just another piece.

Shyal_malkes · Post by **Shyal_malkes** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 8:12 pm

sorry I haven't posted in a while, the net has been out at our house for a bit and even now I'm running on lessee here, 4800 bps. whatever that means but I vet it ain't good.

I hope most people here realize that there is a great probability that the song didn't even come from our world durring which case guessing which song Fen heard is really rather pointless.

sorry just a thought.

personally I'm glad that it doesn't seem to be a REAL addiction, obsession maybe yes, but addiction, well not quite in my book.

Lee M · Post by **Lee M** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 2:43 am

But if pointless speculation is futile why do people do it all the time???

Seriously, it's fun to come up with ideas, and there have been some interesting suggestions here. Personally I think Fen must have heard The Sound of Music.

Tbolt · Post by **Tbolt** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 4:19 am

I always liked Sepiroth's theme from the end of FF VII, but that would be a bit short.

Fen has an uphill battle if he wants to transcribe orchestra, he could get something almost as "simple" a nice Bach fugue. How to recreate a pipe organ?

A lux-enhanced light show to Tocatta and fugue in D minor :drool: !

The hardest thing is even if he confessed to "missing" a large piece like that to his peers, would they even believe him? If the most that has ever been heard from the ring is just a few seconds?

JakeWasHere · Post by **JakeWasHere** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 9:15 am

Kerry Skydancer wrote:
Tom Mazanec wrote:And if I understand, there are more than two worlds. He may be hearing music from a world with even more instruments than WE have. And he implies that he COULD have transcribed it, but he was just too overwhelmed.
He implies that, but he's just fooling himself. He ought to report this to the leaders, try to explain what happened and why he's been so obsessed. He's afraid they'll blame him for losing something that no one could have copied. Hopefully Kes will realize this and talk him around before he -does- hurt himself with the obsession.

I'm thinking he came across Beethoven's 9th.

That's the same conclusion I reached. After hearing only snatches of small ensembles or single instruments, he gets steamrollered by THAT ENDING:

"Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken
Himmlische, dein Heiligtum.
Deine Zauber binden wieder,
Was der Mode streng geteilt;
Alle Menschen werden Brueder,
Wo dein sanfter Fluegel weilt."

His idea that an entire city came to play music is quite reasonable: Beethoven's Ninth requires both choir and full orchestra, which is something like 175 people in total - about the size of a Racconan village.

JakeWasHere · Post by **JakeWasHere** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 9:28 am

JakeWasHere wrote:
"Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken
Himmlische, dein Heiligtum.
Deine Zauber binden wieder,
Was der Mode streng geteilt;
Alle Menschen werden Brueder,
Wo dein sanfter Fluegel weilt."

Joy, lovely and divine light,
Daughter of Elysium,
We march onward drunk with fire,
To thy kingdom, Holy One.
Your magic binds together
All that tradition pulled apart,
All men will be brothers
Where your sheltering wings rest.

Sariah · Post by **Sariah** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:09 am

But why would it have happened anyway? If the ring has, up until this point, ALWAYS produced a few notes and phrases of songs here and there, why did Fen all of the sudden hear this full orchestra song (at least almost) in its entirety? Is there meaning behind that, or am I just being too particular?

Maxgoof · Post by **Maxgoof** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:12 am

Here's one you might want to give a listen to:

Berlioz - Requiem: Dies Irae.

This is best heard live. It requires four brass choirs in the four corners of the concert hall, 18 timpani, four pairs of cymbals, and two gongs, in addition to an orchestra and a full four part chior of voices.

The music depicts the last judgement with the trumpet call of the archangels and destruction of the earth. Sends chills up my spine every time I hear it.

The JAM · Post by **The JAM** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 12:18 pm

[...unWARP!]

Good evening.

Hmm........

He doesn't say how long the song lasted, so we don't know if he heard just one movement, or an entire symphony. I think ALL of Händel's "Messiah" lasts 1 hour or more, while it's opening (Hallelujah! Hallelujah!) is only 4-5 minutes.

Also Beetoven's Fifth Symphony, is much longer than the piece that everyone's familiar with.

Gershwin's "Rhapsody in Blue", again, is just part of "An American in Paris", or "Porgy & Bess", not sure about that.

And there are more recent works that require 200 people or more. There was an animé movie (I don't recall the title, just the article on "Comics Scene"), one of the most expensive done up to date (c. 1990) that cost ¥1 billion and had a 200 piece orchestra do its soundtrack and score.

Does anyone know how big is the London Philharmonic?

¡Zacatepóngolas!

Until next time, remember:

I

AM

THE

J.A.M. (a.k.a. Numbuh i: "Just because I'm imaginary doesn't mean I don't exist")

Good evening.

[WARP!]

Samalander · Post by **Samalander** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 2:00 pm

The JAM wrote:And there are more recent works that require 200 people or more. There was an animé movie (I don't recall the title, just the article on "Comics Scene"), one of the most expensive done up to date (c. 1990) that cost ¥1 billion and had a 200 piece orchestra do its soundtrack and score.

If I had to guess, that'd be Escaflowne, and the music was composed by Yoko Kanno and played by the Warsaw Philharmonic.

PS: yes, I'm a long time lurker, first time poster in here, and have probably been posting about comics longer than most of you have known about webcomics. Not all, assuridly.

Reuven · Post by **Reuven** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 5:36 pm

I'm so going with 'Ode to Joy' or the 'Jupiter' symphonies.

Squeaky Bunny · Post by **Squeaky Bunny** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 6:07 pm

The JAM wrote:[...unWARP!]

Good evening.

Hmm........

He doesn't say how long the song lasted, so we don't know if he heard just one movement, or an entire symphony. I think ALL of Händel's "Messiah" lasts 1 hour or more, while it's opening (Hallelujah! Hallelujah!) is only 4-5 minutes.

Also Beetoven's Fifth Symphony, is much longer than the piece that everyone's familiar with.

Gershwin's "Rhapsody in Blue", again, is just part of "An American in Paris", or "Porgy & Bess", not sure about that.

And there are more recent works that require 200 people or more. There was an animé movie (I don't recall the title, just the article on "Comics Scene"), one of the most expensive done up to date (c. 1990) that cost ¥1 billion and had a 200 piece orchestra do its soundtrack and score.

Does anyone know how big is the London Philharmonic?

¡Zacatepóngolas!

Until next time, remember:

I

AM

THE

J.A.M. (a.k.a. Numbuh i: "Just because I'm imaginary doesn't mean I don't exist")

Good evening.

[WARP!]

It's not part of Porgy and Bess or Rhapsody in Blue. They are all separate compositions.

Orchestras vary in size according to the piece played but average about eighty-ninty players for ones like the London Philharmonic or the Boston Pops.

Kerry Skydancer · Post by **Kerry Skydancer** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 11:39 am

The JAM wrote:
He doesn't say how long the song lasted, so we don't know if he heard just one movement, or an entire symphony. I think ALL of Händel's "Messiah" lasts 1 hour or more, while it's opening (Hallelujah! Hallelujah!) is only 4-5 minutes.

The Messiah has over two hours of music, and the 'Hallelujah Chorus' is about halfway through it.

Ren probably has no idea how long it really lasted. He was overwhelmed by something huge and alien and beautiful, and didn't have the experience even to be able to pull the theme out of the mass of sound. I feel sorry for the kit; but he's got to get over trying to hear it again and set himself to inventing the genre for the Seven Villages.

Maxgoof · Post by **Maxgoof** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 6:43 am

OH, he'll get there, eventually.

He's mourning over the gift he has lost, and has not yet realized the gift he still has.

He now knows what is possible.

Oh, and to clarify the other reference I made:

Gandalf was an incredible asset to The Fellowship. When he fell at Kazadum, Frodo wanted to try and save him, or at the very least, stay and mourn his loss.

He would, of course, had been killed if he had. He needed to be dragged from the spot.

So too, Fen needs to be pulled out of the ring for a while, until he realizes what he has been given, and still has, rather than what has been lost.

Tom Mazanec · Post by **Tom Mazanec** » Wed Mar 15, 2006 8:16 am

A thought I have had about fae raths (I will have to PM Ralph about this). Maybe the "multiverse" is like a sheet with minute thickness (say Planck Length) but infinite extent (or at least to the Hubble Radius). A fae rath is like a hole in this sheet, connecting the two sides. Maybe there are only two worlds, which is why the Racconan get a song from our world, against all probability.

LoneWolf23k · Post by **LoneWolf23k** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:51 pm

Kerry Skydancer wrote:Ren probably has no idea how long it really lasted. He was overwhelmed by something huge and alien and beautiful, and didn't have the experience even to be able to pull the theme out of the mass of sound. I feel sorry for the kit; but he's got to get over trying to hear it again and set himself to inventing the genre for the Seven Villages.

Either that, or he has to admit what he heard to one of the Masters, and work with him to try and make sense of what he heard..

T.s.a.o · Post by **T.s.a.o** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:58 pm

small question, would it be worst if the opposite happened? Like if a bard went in the ring, got something written by say, KORN or Mac Dre, and was too scared to ever enter the ring again?