well put

[Jaydub]

One way I can tell if a person is from my generation is to ask them if they know what a church key is. Most of the kids today have no idea because they have never had to use one.

[Madmoonie]

One way I can tell if a person is from my generation is to ask them if they know what a church key is. Most of the kids today have no idea because they have never had to use one.

A key...to get into....a church? We always had beg rings of keys at the ones I went to. Other than that I have no idea.

[Sharuuk]

How 'bout these...

"...... has been shown to be an effective decay preventive dentifrice when used in a conscienciously applied program of oral hygiene and regular professional care."

Crest

"I'd rather fight than switch"

Tarryton Cigarettes

"A little dab'll do ya."

Brylcream

"Greasy kid stuff."

Vitalis

"Let's compare combs."

No idea

Vitalis again.....one comb came back filled with white Brylcream, the "greasy kid stuff", the other was "clean".

"Cereal shot from guns."

Quaker Puffed Wheat/Rice

"Plop-plop, fizz-fizz oh whatta relief it is."

Alka-Seltzer

"Control yourself....sure you have a headache, you're tense,
irritable....but don't take it out on him/her"

Bufferin

Close....Anacin

"Pain...depression...fatigue...pain"

No idea

Bufferin

"Promotes drainage, thus relieves pressure, pain"

No idea

Dristan Nasal Spray and NEW Dristan tablets.

Lets see just how many "Official Olde Fartes" we really have here.. .Can anybody here (besides me) name the products these taglines came from?

Got some. Not all.

Ya done REAL GOOD tho'

How 'bout...."Stronger than dirt"
S'aaruuk

[Sharuuk]

So is this the test for the Forum Council of Elders?

'Course it is.......look who's tryin' ta kick it into high gear...

S'aaruuk

[Squeaky Bunny]

One way I can tell if a person is from my generation is to ask them if they know what a church key is. Most of the kids today have no idea because they have never had to use one.

Sort of like a P-38.

[Squeaky Bunny]

So is this the test for the Forum Council of Elders?

'Course it is.......look who's tryin' ta kick it into high gear...

S'aaruuk

Try "Hasn't scratched yet"

"Chases Dirt"

" 99 and 44/100% pure"

"When it rains, it pours"

And then there's the Bonus Round

[Wayfarer]

So is this the test for the Forum Council of Elders?

'Course it is.......look who's tryin' ta kick it into high gear...

Okay, now the thought of that is a bit scary...

...wait a minute...

'Course it is.......look who's tryin' ta kick it into high gear...

Yep, it applies...

[Rave]

As much as I like our hero, I have to disagree with him here. He can't have it both ways. He can't wear the badge, carry the name of the town, even be a semi-participant in the council to the extent that he can even call meetings, and also not be accountable to anybody. Some of the requests for observation from the council were indeed over the top and an obvious reaction to their sudden realization that this questoring thing is the real deal. But that said, not all their requests even sounded entirely unreasonable. I hope that the questor and the council come up with a reasonable compromise. Both sides seem a bit extreme to me at this point.

[UncleMonty]

I don't think the idea here is the Questor being unaccountable for his/her actions. If the Questor screws up by the numbers, I have no doubt the locals will be within their rights to administer punishment. And knowing that should be enough to prevent a Questor's going rogue or abusing the powers of the office.
What Quentyn seems to be saying in this story, is that he is an independent agent.
One parallel might be those old "Private Eye" novels.

Unlike a police officer, a private investigator is under no direct authority, but if "Sam Spade" happened to burn down a warehouse or something, there would have been repercussions.
Quentyn is lucky that old warehouse he destroyed was already scheduled for demolition, or he would have been in trouble. See? There's the accountability.

[EdBecerra]

" 99 and 44/100% pure"

Ivory soap..

This is also famous as the quote that started porno star Marilyn Chambers, as she was the model for the Ivory soap commercials just before she got her famous role in "Behind the Green Door".

Damn, I just gave away MY age...

[EdBecerra]

One way I can tell if a person is from my generation is to ask them if they know what a church key is. Most of the kids today have no idea because they have never had to use one.

A key...to get into....a church? We always had beg rings of keys at the ones I went to. Other than that I have no idea.

A churchkey is the combination can/bottle opener usually used to open cans of fruit juice by punching a triangular hole on one side of the top of the can. The other end was used to pop off old-style metal bottle caps from soda bottles.

Bugger.. again, I give myself away.

Anyway, here's a picture of them.

http://www.sixpackrings.com/2005%20Site ... %20Key.jpg

[EdBecerra]

As much as I like our hero, I have to disagree with him here. He can't have it both ways. He can't wear the badge, carry the name of the town, even be a semi-participant in the council to the extent that he can even call meetings, and also not be accountable to anybody. Some of the requests for observation from the council were indeed over the top and an obvious reaction to their sudden realization that this questoring thing is the real deal. But that said, not all their requests even sounded entirely unreasonable. I hope that the questor and the council come up with a reasonable compromise. Both sides seem a bit extreme to me at this point.

Uh, Rave? I think you're missing the point. A questor, from what RH wrote, appears to be the person chosen to give the government a kick in the arse when it's trying to bury its head in the sand.

My grandfather used to say "I'll trust a politician when I have a gun to his head, a knife to his throat, and a pair of Vice-Grips clamped around his family jewels."

In short, common citizens are innocent until proven guilty. But once you enter politics, you should be considered guilty by default, until proven innocent.

When a government feels *safe* from it's citizens, when they believe that they can do something and NOT face retaliation, that's when they begin to become corrupt.

Or, as Samuel Colt once said "A gun pointed at a politician's head keeps him honest."

A questor is the gun pointed at the head of the village council.

And that's as it should be.

Or, as a historical quote once attibuted to a political advisor put it...

"Trust no one. Not even ME."

[Rave]

It's not that I'm missing the point. It's that I'm not agreeing wih it. Whether there is a true exact counterpart for the questor role in our own societies that lacks accountability to others in a way similar to what the council wants over the questor is debatable at best. But regardless, I'm not even sure that there should be. Even if accountability swings both ways, that would cover the questor too. For goodness sake, he's a 15 year old running about with an unpredictable magic sword and a badge. I know I would want him to be accountable.

[Sharuuk]

One way I can tell if a person is from my generation is to ask them if they know what a church key is. Most of the kids today have no idea because they have never had to use one.

Sort of like a P-38.

I didn't know Walther made a can opener.....

S'aaruuk

[EdBecerra]

It's not that I'm missing the point. It's that I'm not agreeing wih it. Whether there is a true exact counterpart for the questor role in our own societies that lacks accountability to others in a way similar to what the council wants over the questor is debatable at best. But regardless, I'm not even sure that there should be. Even if accountability swings both ways, that would cover the questor too. For goodness sake, he's a 15 year old running about with an unpredictable magic sword and a badge. I know I would want him to be accountable.

Okay, you're saying he's something of a loose cannon?

Oddly enough, I agree.

But I feel there's a NEED for loose cannons in society.

A certain amount of fear keeps people honest. Or at least behaving honestly, when they think they might get caught.

*shrugs*

I'm poor, and the only thing that keeps me from robbing a bank is the certainty I'll get caught. If I was suddenly offered a signed presidential pardon - IN ADVANCE! - guarenteeing that I wouldn't go to jail and that I'd get to keep my loot, I'd rob a bank without a second thought.

So would a great many other "honest" people. *shrugs* That's not nice, but it is life.

Or at least my cynical view of it.

[EdBecerra]

One way I can tell if a person is from my generation is to ask them if they know what a church key is. Most of the kids today have no idea because they have never had to use one.

Sort of like a P-38.

I didn't know Walther made a can opener.....

S'aaruuk

P-38 military issue can opener. Came in boxes of C-rations, what we used to be issued before the current Meals, Ready to Eat.

Here's a picture:

http://www.georgia-outfitters.com/images/p38plans.jpg

[Madmoonie]

One way I can tell if a person is from my generation is to ask them if they know what a church key is. Most of the kids today have no idea because they have never had to use one.

A key...to get into....a church? We always had beg rings of keys at the ones I went to. Other than that I have no idea.

A churchkey is the combination can/bottle opener usually used to open cans of fruit juice by punching a triangular hole on one side of the top of the can. The other end was used to pop off old-style metal bottle caps from soda bottles.

Bugger.. again, I give myself away.

Anyway, here's a picture of them.

http://www.sixpackrings.com/2005%20Site ... %20Key.jpg

Oh....those things....we just called them bottle openers.

[Sharuuk]

So is this the test for the Forum Council of Elders?

'Course it is.......look who's tryin' ta kick it into high gear...

S'aaruuk

Try "Hasn't scratched yet"

"Chases Dirt"

" 99 and 44/100% pure"

"When it rains, it pours"

And then there's the Bonus Round

Not a clue

"All" laundry soap

Ivory Soap

Morton salt

And I got most of the Bonus Round......DAMN!!!!!....I AM OLLLLLDDDD!!!

S'aaruuk

[Madmoonie]

(mutters something under his breath and then scampers away)

[Sharuuk]

Sort of like a P-38.

I didn't know Walther made a can opener.....

S'aaruuk

P-38 military issue can opener. Came in boxes of C-rations, what we used to be issued before the current Meals, Ready to Eat.

Here's a picture:

http://www.georgia-outfitters.com/images/p38plans.jpg

You missed my "sarcasm" button... ...I can't even begin to count how many of those things I've used.....and still keep several on hand....even have one in my wallet.

Got to be one of the cleverest and most useful little inventions ever made. There is, for all intents and purposes, NO can that I can't open with this thing! I can zip the top completely off of a #10 (large) can in about 15 seconds flat.

S'aaruuk