Why isn't this comic on Keenspot?
Why isn't this comic on Keenspot?
Does anyone know if our benefactor has submitted these for consideration on Keenspot? NT, TOTQ, and GH are ten times better than most of the stuff Crosby's running now, especially since so many of his good artists jumped ship for Blank Label Comics! I mean, what's this still doing on Keenspace? Lord knows he could use the extra promotion, after all -- not nearly enough people know about these awesome comics! I wouldn't even know about these if not for an ad I saw on some blog somewhere.
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StrangeWulf13
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One, as I understand it, Keenspot requires money. Ralph is strapped as is (and will humiliate another Rac Conan if you people don't go donate right now!), so that's not a viable option, really.
And two, Ralph is conservative. A lot of webcomics aren't, at least to my knowledge. I know for a fact there are people who hate him and think he's a horrible artist with no talent for either drawing or story-telling.
If you're wondering how that's possible, I ask you how it's possible that a group of liberal protestors think it's not inappropriate to protest in front of a hospital where wounded soldiers go to get fixed up. Last I checked, the Ralph haters and Bush haters were in the same party.
It's fairly possible that the guy in charge of Keenspot doesn't like Ralph's politics and won't even ask him to consider joining. But then, I don't know this person you mention. It might just be that the protocol requires the comic artist to contact Crosby first.
In any case, I don't see why being on Keenspace is a problem. We miss all those annoying ads anyway (well, I do... don't show up for some reason...).
And two, Ralph is conservative. A lot of webcomics aren't, at least to my knowledge. I know for a fact there are people who hate him and think he's a horrible artist with no talent for either drawing or story-telling.
If you're wondering how that's possible, I ask you how it's possible that a group of liberal protestors think it's not inappropriate to protest in front of a hospital where wounded soldiers go to get fixed up. Last I checked, the Ralph haters and Bush haters were in the same party.
It's fairly possible that the guy in charge of Keenspot doesn't like Ralph's politics and won't even ask him to consider joining. But then, I don't know this person you mention. It might just be that the protocol requires the comic artist to contact Crosby first.
In any case, I don't see why being on Keenspace is a problem. We miss all those annoying ads anyway (well, I do... don't show up for some reason...).
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Yeah, good point Wulf.
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Strange...
I have about 30 webcomics in my bookmarks, and which I check daily or at least m/w/f, and possibly another 40 - 50 on a more irregular schedule, but not a single one of those are on Keenspot...
I won't say what I think of Bush(or risk RHJunior's wrath), and often disagree with RHJunior on political issues, but I know a good comic when I see one... And seeing 3 good comics...
(There are better drawn comics out there, but most of those updates on a much slower schdule. There are more funny comics out there, too... But both funnier and better drawn, with a decent update schedule? Can't really think of any)
I need to buy the latest CD, the BW Book, and the N&T book... When I can afford them...
(That iBook was sweet, but did nothing good for the bank account)
I have about 30 webcomics in my bookmarks, and which I check daily or at least m/w/f, and possibly another 40 - 50 on a more irregular schedule, but not a single one of those are on Keenspot...
I won't say what I think of Bush(or risk RHJunior's wrath), and often disagree with RHJunior on political issues, but I know a good comic when I see one... And seeing 3 good comics...
(There are better drawn comics out there, but most of those updates on a much slower schdule. There are more funny comics out there, too... But both funnier and better drawn, with a decent update schedule? Can't really think of any)
I need to buy the latest CD, the BW Book, and the N&T book... When I can afford them...
(That iBook was sweet, but did nothing good for the bank account)
My name is Lion, Anthony Lion.
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Didn't say that everyone that disagrees with his politics thinks he's got no talent, Anthony. I've just met some people who hated him for being conservative so much that they just could not see anything he produced as being good. Conservatives are evil, donchaknow. =P Thus, everything they do is evil. Or so these idiots seem to think.
I'm just glad there are some who are willing to let politics slide on some things and see the truth. Just because someone has different views on some things doesn't always mean you should reject their art. Heck, I don't read the webcomic Jack, and I don't agree much with his politics or morals (or lack there of; the guy draws some disturbing things)... but I have to admit that he has talent. He is good at drawing and telling stories, even if I don't agree with the content. To deny the talent of anyone because I disagreed with some of their views would be insane.
'Course, I have my limits. I believe anyone who makes pedophile porn, whether drawn or photographed, should be either castrated or killed. Preferably both, in a painful and drawn-out form of torture. There are some things that, no matter how much talent the person has, I find their art disgusting and immoral. Pedophiles would be one example. There are a few others I could think of, but I will not mention.
With few exceptions, there should be no reason to think someone is untalented because their politics or beliefs disagree with yours. To be honest, I'm not sure there are any exceptions, but it is up for debate.
But I still maintain those people who think Ralph has no talent are beyond insane. They could no more give up their delusions than they could fly.
Aren't you glad you're not one of 'em?
I'm just glad there are some who are willing to let politics slide on some things and see the truth. Just because someone has different views on some things doesn't always mean you should reject their art. Heck, I don't read the webcomic Jack, and I don't agree much with his politics or morals (or lack there of; the guy draws some disturbing things)... but I have to admit that he has talent. He is good at drawing and telling stories, even if I don't agree with the content. To deny the talent of anyone because I disagreed with some of their views would be insane.
'Course, I have my limits. I believe anyone who makes pedophile porn, whether drawn or photographed, should be either castrated or killed. Preferably both, in a painful and drawn-out form of torture. There are some things that, no matter how much talent the person has, I find their art disgusting and immoral. Pedophiles would be one example. There are a few others I could think of, but I will not mention.
With few exceptions, there should be no reason to think someone is untalented because their politics or beliefs disagree with yours. To be honest, I'm not sure there are any exceptions, but it is up for debate.
But I still maintain those people who think Ralph has no talent are beyond insane. They could no more give up their delusions than they could fly.
Aren't you glad you're not one of 'em?
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Granted, Chris Crosby is a die-hard super-liberal -- the co-creator of Sore Thumbs, no less. So there's no denying that. But he's a liberal who knows what sells. Keenspot hosts seven webcomics by Syke, and while she keeps her politics out of her comics for the most part, she's pretty conservative judging by her blog posts. In the whole Newsbox debacle (where Syke removed a newsbox that contained two men kissing) Crosby even defended her right to do so under the Keenspot contract, hastily though he added that he did not agree with her choice in order to maintain his liberal street cred.
I guess I'm just wondering if RH has sent his comics in for review -- Keenspot has a whole system in place for doing that, and seems like the artists on there get a ton of exposure out of the cross-promotion. The Keen artists seem to maintain full creative control, and as far as I'm aware it doesn't actually cost anything to be on Keen -- you produce content, which cross-promotes with other content, which in turn produces advertising revenue that you get a cut of. And in addition to that, you're still allowed to have a donation system. At least on the surface, it would seem like RH would have nothing to lose and everything to gain.
Why am I so interested? Because I love these comics. These are the best comics I've read in years. And I want more people to love these comics.
I guess I'm just wondering if RH has sent his comics in for review -- Keenspot has a whole system in place for doing that, and seems like the artists on there get a ton of exposure out of the cross-promotion. The Keen artists seem to maintain full creative control, and as far as I'm aware it doesn't actually cost anything to be on Keen -- you produce content, which cross-promotes with other content, which in turn produces advertising revenue that you get a cut of. And in addition to that, you're still allowed to have a donation system. At least on the surface, it would seem like RH would have nothing to lose and everything to gain.
Why am I so interested? Because I love these comics. These are the best comics I've read in years. And I want more people to love these comics.
Well Howard Tayler of http://schlockmercenary.com/ fame *was* on Keenspot until he got sick and tired of them and went his own way.
In my opinion he's the only webcartoonist I've seen who's got the edge on Ralph
. Sorry Ralph, but then again I know he won't be upset because Ralph is a Schlock fan too - check the archives on UTLT, there's a whole Schlockmercenary crossover storyline which as I recall was done with Howard's permission .
Funny thing: Howard is very conservative too, although not quite as "vocal" about it as Ralph.
In my opinion he's the only webcartoonist I've seen who's got the edge on Ralph
. Sorry Ralph, but then again I know he won't be upset because Ralph is a Schlock fan too - check the archives on UTLT, there's a whole Schlockmercenary crossover storyline which as I recall was done with Howard's permission .Funny thing: Howard is very conservative too, although not quite as "vocal" about it as Ralph.
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I only read a handfull of web comics on a regular basis. But I add one or two a year.
Yes, sir. I agree completely. It takes a well-balanced individual... such as yourself to rule the world. No, sir. No one knows that you were the third one... Solidus. ...What should I do about the woman? Yes sir. I'll keep her under surveillance. Yes. Thank you. Good-bye...... Mr. President.
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Never heard of em.
Yes, sir. I agree completely. It takes a well-balanced individual... such as yourself to rule the world. No, sir. No one knows that you were the third one... Solidus. ...What should I do about the woman? Yes sir. I'll keep her under surveillance. Yes. Thank you. Good-bye...... Mr. President.
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true dat - but whats this about RHjunior being all political?Anthony Lion wrote:I read Sore thumbs once...
It's fun in the beginning, but then it began to feel like deja vu whenever I read a new strip...
I thought there weren't any americans left who actually supported bush these days... - I mean, even fox news is bashing him!
I've been reading Ralph's comics for quite a while--since before TOTQ started, actually. (Well, there was a period of about a year or so where no matter what I did, I couldn't get the comics to actually SHOW UP--but that fixed itself eventually, so I went back and read everything I missed..but I digress). I enjoy the hell out of his comics--I think his drawing is really good and he can tell a great story.
As for politics? I suppose it's the nature of the beast with a web comic. Ralph isn't the only one to climb up on a virtual soapbox through his inked avatars and say what he thinks--far from it in fact. I am also not going to stand here and tiptoe around the whole conservative vs liberal thing. I'm politically centrist--I have views on both sides of the fence, as it were, and I generally consider myself a moderate. Liberalism is not a bad thing. Conservativism is not a bad thing. Extremes of either ARE bad things. Quite frankly, I couldn't care less about what Ralph's politics are--if he cares about mine, that's not my problem, and if he wants to ban me for disagreeing with him, well he can do that if he wants, and I certainly won't lose any sleep over it.
I'm not going to get into a long-winded political discussion here--this isn't the time or place. All I'm going to say is that Ralph's political leanings shouldn't make any kind of difference if the guys running Keenspot have any business sense whatsoever. Then again, if they want to refuse to allow openly conservative webcomics to run on KS, then as businessmen that's their prerogative (although it could be construed as discrimination)
Ultimately the decision is up to Ralph. Personally I don't care WHERE it's hosted, as long as it's up and viewable so I can get my comic fix.
As for politics? I suppose it's the nature of the beast with a web comic. Ralph isn't the only one to climb up on a virtual soapbox through his inked avatars and say what he thinks--far from it in fact. I am also not going to stand here and tiptoe around the whole conservative vs liberal thing. I'm politically centrist--I have views on both sides of the fence, as it were, and I generally consider myself a moderate. Liberalism is not a bad thing. Conservativism is not a bad thing. Extremes of either ARE bad things. Quite frankly, I couldn't care less about what Ralph's politics are--if he cares about mine, that's not my problem, and if he wants to ban me for disagreeing with him, well he can do that if he wants, and I certainly won't lose any sleep over it.
I'm not going to get into a long-winded political discussion here--this isn't the time or place. All I'm going to say is that Ralph's political leanings shouldn't make any kind of difference if the guys running Keenspot have any business sense whatsoever. Then again, if they want to refuse to allow openly conservative webcomics to run on KS, then as businessmen that's their prerogative (although it could be construed as discrimination)
Ultimately the decision is up to Ralph. Personally I don't care WHERE it's hosted, as long as it's up and viewable so I can get my comic fix.
^ the above was me sounding like I know WTF I'm talking about.
On a more personal level, ask yourself: would YOU want to be a close financial partner with someone who regularly accuses you of being a racist bigot, a religious fanatic oppressor, a superstitious mongoloid moron, a warmongering "chickenhawk", and of wanting to starve little old ladies, club cute little woodland animals to death, poison children's drinking water, and murder "little brown people" for their oil?
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Your point is well-taken, I can understand why you'd be less than willing to jump on Crosby's bandwagon. But for myself, I don't know that I'd actually care -- in fact, I think it would be a source of great satisfaction for me to have a product that even someone who absolutely hates me would want to sell. If that's not a victory for our capitalist system, I don't know what is!On a more personal level, ask yourself: would YOU want to be a close financial partner with someone who regularly accuses you of being a racist bigot, a religious fanatic oppressor, a superstitious mongoloid moron, a warmongering "chickenhawk", and of wanting to starve little old ladies, club cute little woodland animals to death, poison children's drinking water, and murder "little brown people" for their oil?
But anyway, it was just a suggestion, I won't press the issue. I just think your work deserves more exposure, is all.
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When I make my millions I will hire Ralph on, he will work for me and me only. $10,000 per strip. And I might not share with all of you, they will be all for me.
Yes, sir. I agree completely. It takes a well-balanced individual... such as yourself to rule the world. No, sir. No one knows that you were the third one... Solidus. ...What should I do about the woman? Yes sir. I'll keep her under surveillance. Yes. Thank you. Good-bye...... Mr. President.