22/02/2005

EvilJayson · Post by **EvilJayson** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 6:14 pm

Nice to hear more about what has happened heh,

Whats cool is the last line qunt says heh i'm sure after 2 days asleep the bladder gets kinda full and i like how some bodily functions aren't ignored except when used as a plot device (i.e. guard leaves to go relive them self allowing hero/heros to slip past unnoticed) in this comic. Its the little things and details that realy finish something off.

Ann Vole · Post by **Ann Vole** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 7:45 pm

Looks like his white-stag-lick hair lock is extra big. The rats didn't "lick" him but maybe Someone else did. Edit: I just read that part again, he DID get licked again by the White Stag

refering to the rodent teeth and ears, I'm assuming Squidge either has good control of how his body is shaped or his appearence is a reflection of his thoughts and shows up instinctively.

Kerry Skydancer · Post by **Kerry Skydancer** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 7:50 pm

I think Squidge is using himself as a visual aid while bragging to the kits about how brave he was.

"Evil black rats, like this! Squidge scare 'em away!"

Squeaky Bunny · Post by **Squeaky Bunny** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 9:40 pm

And then he turns into a FBC!

DracoDei · Post by **DracoDei** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 3:45 am

Freakishly Big Cat?
(other words might be suggested for that first letter...)

SolidusRaccoon · Post by **SolidusRaccoon** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 4:13 am

Kerry Skydancer wrote:I think Squidge is using himself as a visual aid while bragging to the kits about how brave he was.

"Evil black rats, like this! Squidge scare 'em away!"

Heh, now watch his ego grow.

RDB · Post by **RDB** » Sun Mar 27, 2005 8:41 pm

EvilJayson wrote:i'm sure after 2 days asleep the bladder gets kinda full

I had a bit of a problem with it - unless they were giving him fluids and/or blood intravenously, it seems like he should've been on the verge of dehydration and not producing any urine at all...

Ron

DracoDei · Post by **DracoDei** » Sun Mar 27, 2005 9:40 pm

I beleive it may be possible to dribble liquids into an unconcious persons mouth very slowly with good effect...

Squeaky Bunny · Post by **Squeaky Bunny** » Sun Mar 27, 2005 10:18 pm

Nope, the chance they will aspirate the fluid is too great.

SolidusRaccoon · Post by **SolidusRaccoon** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 3:23 am

RDB wrote:
EvilJayson wrote:i'm sure after 2 days asleep the bladder gets kinda full
I had a bit of a problem with it - unless they were giving him fluids and/or blood intravenously, it seems like he should've been on the verge of dehydration and not producing any urine at all...

Ron

Well there would have been the previous build up to take care of.

RHJunior · Post by **RHJunior** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 10:21 am

As i understand it, there are ways to make an unconscious person swallow, as well as urinate....

Of course this also overlooks that they might have a few lux-associated tricks to make such things simpler. Ways to mentally prod nerve endings, for instance, to induce swallowing or urination....

They MIGHT have blood transfusion--- once the general principles of blood typing are known, it's a rather simple advance in medical technology. And if they have blood transfusion, intravenous fluid wouldnt be that much of a leap..... assuming it was actually necessary in this case (see above.)

I'm also curious as to what methods were used on unconscious patients in the days BEFORE things like stomach tubes and IV drips and catheters. If anyone has any leads, they'd be useful.

Mwalimu · Post by **Mwalimu** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 10:59 am

I understand humans are the exception in having four blood types. Many other species have only one blood type. Dogs, for instance, are all the same type (not sure about rH factor, though).

Squeaky Bunny · Post by **Squeaky Bunny** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 11:22 am

RHJunior wrote:As i understand it, there are ways to make an unconscious person swallow, as well as urinate....

Of course this also overlooks that they might have a few lux-associated tricks to make such things simpler. Ways to mentally prod nerve endings, for instance, to induce swallowing or urination....

They MIGHT have blood transfusion--- once the general principles of blood typing are known, it's a rather simple advance in medical technology. And if they have blood transfusion, intravenous fluid wouldnt be that much of a leap..... assuming it was actually necessary in this case (see above.)

I'm also curious as to what methods were used on unconscious patients in the days BEFORE things like stomach tubes and IV drips and catheters. If anyone has any leads, they'd be useful.

I suppose you could use autonomic responses to do that. (stroking the throat to stimulate the swallow reflex) I don't think putting someone's hand in warm water would work on an unconcious person, merely a sleeping one.

Urine catheters go back as far as the middle ages and the Roman Empire. You might find references to what was done before then in some medical antiquities website.

Kerry Skydancer · Post by **Kerry Skydancer** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 12:15 pm

mwalimu wrote:I understand humans are the exception in having four blood types. Many other species have only one blood type. Dogs, for instance, are all the same type (not sure about rH factor, though).

I have no idea where you got this. Humans are about average in the number of major blood types. Dogs have six major groups and another half-dozen or so rare ones, with several factors that overlap. Cats have three. The rH factor is a specific human factor (happens to match a factor in rhesus monkey blood, that's where the designation came from) which stands independently of the four that are usually thought of as blood types.

Human blood has four major antigen groups, as you probably know - A, B, AB, and O, with O being the universal donor. Each human -also- has an rH + or rH - factor, with rH - being the universal donor, so you -could- say there are eight major blood groups total - A+. A-, B+, B-, AB+, AB-, O+, and O-, with the last being the (nearly) universal donor. There are other very rare blood types which seem to be mutations of the basic A, B, and O antigens. (AB is the presence of both the A and B factors. AO and BO do not differ phenotypically from AA and BB, so they are not listed separately.)

Dogs have six -independent- antigen groups, labelled 1.1, 1.2, 3, 4, 5, and 7. Each has a plus or minus factor (is the antigen present or not) which gives a rather large number of combinations - fortunately for our canine friends, they also have universal donor combinations or it would be nearly impossible to match blood types for transfusion.

There's a ton of data out there - google 'veterinary blood type' if you're interested.

Mwalimu · Post by **Mwalimu** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 1:01 pm

I don't remember where I heard that. Okay, I stand corrected. Thanks for the info.

Kerry Skydancer · Post by **Kerry Skydancer** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 1:51 pm

You may have misunderstood something you heard about DEA 4; that one is nearly universally positive among dogs, something like a 98% occurence. It doesn't affect the other factors, though.

Bigdude · Post by **Bigdude** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 2:07 pm

All ferrets can donate blood to any other ferret.

So it's not impossible the Rac Connan are like that...

Squeaky Bunny · Post by **Squeaky Bunny** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 3:27 pm

bigdude wrote:All ferrets can donate blood to any other ferret.

So it's not impossible the Rac Connan are like that...

Ferrets can also draw blood from anyone too.

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