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Hey all,

I was thinking of starting a webcomic, just for fun. I've drawn a quick comic
of a supposed serie that will be called 'King of Fools'. But i'd like some advise.
How do i make my drawings better? Do i draw them on paper first and then scan them? How do you guys do it? Oh and dont worry about the sample beneath, its just a quick sketch. I'm not going to use any color. I want it to be a simply drawn comic (sorta like white ninja comics, which are not at all about the art). Any advise would be nice...but please don't break my spirit :)
Thx in advance.

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I once ran a litter of baby bunny rabbits over with my lawnmower, then nursed them back to health. With that in mind, I'll field this question. :)
CeeKai wrote:I was thinking of starting a webcomic, just for fun. I've drawn a quick comic of a supposed serie that will be called 'King of Fools'. But i'd like some advise. How do i make my drawings better? Do i draw them on paper first and then scan them? How do you guys do it?
Well, 'just for fun' is a bad reason to start a webcomic. They require dedication and hard work. A lot of the mechanics involved behind making a webcomic just aren't fun. So you may want to re-examine your motivation.

Most webcomic artists sketch on paper, scan the drawings in, then polish and/or color them on the computer. Another popular style is to draw in Flash. A few people draw in photoshop or illustrator, using a graphics tablet. Almost nobody uses a mouse, which you appear to have done. Each method gives its own style. The scanned in images are usually the most 'artistic', but really it comes down to the skill of the artist. The only real way to make your drawings look better is to draw better. That takes practice and learning and talent.

All I can suggest is to keep practicing, and find the medium that works best for you. Best of luck!
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Slightly disagree with you, here, webcomics aren't the serious business you're making them appear. Starting up a comic for fun is better than starting it up out of boredom or for popularity. Yeah it takes dedication, but webcomics are a hobby like anything else and I find making them is a lot of fun :D .

Me, I pencil, ink, scan, color, add text and balloons. 'bout half-and-half divided between me and the computer.
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She's right, I'm probably taking things way too seriously. Your mileage may vary. :)
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CeeKai wrote: How do i make my drawings better?
I like them as is; the style at least. You CAN do some to pretty them up.
CeeKai wrote: Do i draw them on paper first and then scan them?
That's one way to do it. As has been mentioned above, there are many. For B/W comics, there are two ways I like:

a.) Pencil-on-paper, then go over it with ink. (NOT a sharpie, generally; unless you want real thick lines they bleed too much). For a cheap inking solution, grab a "uni-ball" pen :-p.
Pro: Cheap, easy, and simple
Con: If your hand slips, you can't undo it...

b.) (And this is what I do when I do B/W): I have adobe photoshop, which has this neat thing called "curves" which basically allows you to make the dark parts darker and the light parts lighter. I draw it in pencil, then use the curves thing to "ink," leading to dark lines and not much excess stuff. Any excess is easy to see, and thus easily erased.
Pro: You can play around with the settings to get the perfect amount of darkness
Con: If the "perfect amount of darkness" doesn't happen to be generated by the settings photoshop can handle, tough.

Regardless, once you get it into the computer, get a white brush/pencil/whatnot and erase all the extraneous doodles.

One other thing: any WORDS, unless you can write INCREDIBLY NEAT, put them in on the computer. ^_^
CeeKai wrote: How do you guys do it?
Hee hee already answered that.

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Web comics yes can be just a hobby however most hobby that require such work die fast.

I should know. I started doing web comics because a HS friend of mine was doing on and did well. So for shits and giggles, they didn't last. I lost interest. Now I'm restarting with the outlook of it being a business... mind you I don't think I'll make money however it still is a business. Keenspace makes money of advertisements, those advertisements aren't worth the space if you don't have the readership to back it up.

As for art work, clean and consistant is what is needed. The art doesn't have to be the greatest, hell Boxjam is on the low low low low end of art work but it is a very popular comic. It is however clean and consistant. I suggest looking at many web comics before decided on a style and pick a style you are comfortable with.

Consider the following things: Despite what some peopel here think you need to keep everything consistant including the size of the work. Decide on a size for the comic and always draw to that size, it is annoying to audiences to have to read archives that aren't even the same size. Every comic has a drive, writting is always it. I would be more worried about writing then art. Excellent art will keep the coming for a few weeks but if the writing isn't there they'll loose interest.

If you are going to hand draw them I recommend the following programs:
Photoshop, Illstrator and Streamline. All by Adobe. Streamline for those who you who don't know it can be used to vectorize art and clean up line art. Very useful tool.

To judge your art work any further I'd have to see a more serious drawing beyond a bubble king and a laptop.
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TrajediJill wrote: To judge your art work any further I'd have to see a more serious drawing beyond a bubble king and a laptop.
lol..... i know, my artwork isn't great. don't know if you could even call it artwork :) but i will have another one up soon. So i can try the advise you all gave me and show you more of my 'artwork'.
For some reason, that cracks me up!
i'm real glad someone at least likes the joke, i know i do. I made it and still laugh when i see it (ok..maybe thats sad :))

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Ok here's another one. Just so you can look at my 'artwork' of the bubble king....
Don't mind the lines around the comic (the squares), because i drew them without them. i just quickly put them around for your viewing pleasure. (oh and dont mind the language..im dutch)

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Heh. Funny.

I'd give some contructive criticism, but I'm just not awake enough.
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CeeKai wrote:Ok here's another one. Just so you can look at my 'artwork' of the bubble king....
Don't mind the lines around the comic (the squares), because i drew them without them. i just quickly put them around for your viewing pleasure. (oh and dont mind the language..im dutch)

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Your comics are getting funnier. This one was great. The only way to get better is to do it. I think you're off to a good start. I say go for it.
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I use the following procedure, which is a lot more than you'll likely want for your own comic. (You did say "simple.")

- Write out a text description of what I want on the comic
- Draw one or more brief sketches to layout the main components of the comic. I'll usually work out my perspective "vanishing points" here. I usally do this in a 4H or 6H pencil
- Do the finished pencils, usually in an HB or B pencil. This is where I put in the detail that I want for the particular page.
- Ink over the pencils. I use a mix of tools for this. Most of my "freehand" work is done with a Speedball crowquill Hunt 108 pen. Large areas and very heavy lines are done with a size 0 sable brush. Lines done using a straightedge or curve are done either with the crowquill or with Faber Castell Pitt art pens.
- Erase the pencils. I use a good quality artgum eraser for this. It leaves a lot of crumbles behind, but it picks up the pencils nicely.
- Touch up the inks.
- Scan the ink drawing. The copier at work also functions as a scanner and can handle 11X17 originals so this is easy for me. My home scanner can only handle up to 8.5X11. I scan in greyscale at 600 dpi.
- I reduce the greyscale image in PaintShop Pro 8.0 to 300 dpi (keeping original dimensions and save this as a separate file (so I've still got the 600 dpi image if I need it).
- In PSP, I create a new layer duplicating the background layer with combination set to "multiply." This new layer is where I add my colors using a combination of the paint can and various paintbrushes. I start with basic flat colors, then use the dodge and burn tool, the airbrush, and various other tools to shade the colors.
- I add a vector layer to the colors and put my text on that. Keeping the text as vector objects makes it easy to move it around, change font and/or font size, and basically manipulate it as needed.
- Finally I add a new raster layer behind the vector layer (merge mode "normal") and put the word balloons and boxes around narration text here.

This gives me the high-res image. I can then resize it to 72 dpi and save it as a jpeg to have the finished comic.


Seeing that written down...that's a lot of steps.

Edit: I see that I left out the "recommendation" portion of this.

For a comic like yours (very simple line art) I would do it like this:
- Make notes of what I want in the comic
- Do a rough pencil sketch to work out positions and sizes of the components of the strip
- Flesh out the rough sketch with as much detail as I want
- Go over the pencils in ink.
- Erase the pencis.
- Scan and add text in a program such as The GIMP, Photoshop, PSP, or whatever you like.
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I don't get the joke in the first one...
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Thx for that extensive tip. I'll try that and put another one up to see how it works out. At least te second one is much better then the first one, so i'm improving a little bit :)
I don't get the joke in the first one...
Maybe this strip isn't for you then, i guess.....

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Ok, here are some other comics. I've been experimenting and somehow these turned out to have a different size. I guess i need to find some consistency in the comics, like the size and all. If i can't make this one bigger somehow, i guess i'll just start over.

Well, here are the ones i've been experimenting with:
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Maybe this strip isn't for you then, i guess.....
::crumples up fan art and tosses it in trash can while cursing under his breath::

the next two (cloud and kick the can) are alright. I would've liked some gore in the kick one... he ripped his leg off for muhammad's sakes!
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I like how the king looked in the 2nd panel of the 1st strip. :D

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I like these a lot. Your style's good and unique and the jokes are funny.
As far as improving the drawings, I can't contribute anything helpful. Hell, look at my avatar and/or comic! They're craptastically drawn!
On the other hand, I think your comic's pretty good even without improving the art. Then again, that's all up to you.

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Ok, i've been experimenting a lot again and i think i've figured out the right size. I still need to find some consistency in the art though. Please let me know what you think about this comic (below) and particulary (don't know if that's written the right way) about the size and quality.
I've got comics a plenty so i can't wait to start.....

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Gengar003 wrote:For a cheap inking solution, grab a "uni-ball" pen :-p.
Pro: Cheap, easy, and simple
Con: If your hand slips, you can't undo it...
That's why God invented white out. It has saved me many a time. :D

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CeeKai wrote:Ok, i've been experimenting a lot again and i think i've figured out the right size. I still need to find some consistency in the art though. Please let me know what you think about this comic (below) and particulary (don't know if that's written the right way) about the size and quality.
I've got comics a plenty so i can't wait to start.....

http://img161.exs.cx/img161/4881/240cq.jpg
I like it. It's amusing and the size and quality are nice. Keep it up.

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