Small World...

[Thai_shoot]

While bouncing around the site, I had the stark realization that Ghastly hangs his hat in, of all places, Hamilton, Ontario. Now of course to you veterans this is probably not news; but to me this is pretty damn cool. You see Hamilton is, or rather was, in my backyard. I used to live in a small town in Western New York and stopped in Hamilton tons of times on my way to Toronto ( and there was one random evening at the "Syndicate" Nite club. But anyway, if I had even heard so much as a rumor that there were tentacle monsters roaming the streets there, I would have explored much more intently. Its too bad I never knew the truth, it seemed like such a quaint little town (except for the syndicate).

[Infinity-Iz-Blue]

Consider when Americans visit England, they're famous for calling everything quaint (and balls to the spelling), but what yanks call quaint, we call Demolition Work.

[AkaneJones]

And here I thought it was Homely.

[Infinity-Iz-Blue]

That too, sometimes. we tend to fudge the definitions to suit ourselves (it's our language, damnit)!

[Thai_shoot]

Oh so thats how it is here... Well first things first infinity - balls to you. What do you even know about demolition. England has ONE large city. As soon as you get a New York, Atlanta, LA and a Detroit, (with their respective rough sections) maybe we will stop referring to your country as the cute little layover on the way to Europe. Furthermore, yes I do agree it was your language first, but if it were not for us you and the rest of Europe would be speaking German.

The bottom line is I think Hamilton is a fun small town with nice places to eat and drink and friendly people.

*Tryin' to be nice here.*

[Irish Witch]

but if it were not for us you and the rest of Europe would be speaking German.

*Gets out ahammer and beats the pompus american to death*

Read a history book other than your own. The reason the war ended was solely because a German scientist defected and litterally handed over the secrets to the German codes. And he handed them to the French.
The only reason you Americans think you won the war was because you were the last ones to join the fight!

THAT had nothing to do with winning the war, and if you talk to any of the old geezers who were around during or soon after the war than it was mainly the scotts and anzacs that were feered during that war!
All you Americans did was to shoot an atom bomb at a city and you know how that ended up!

Go read a history book that wasn't made for American Propaganda!

[Infinity-Iz-Blue]

OK, chill out. No offense meant. I think you've misinterpreted me. Firstly, the whole demolition thing is a joke. I was referring to the stereotypical fat-bastard texan with a loud shirt and a camera (which, while I'm on the subject, I can't possibly imagine actually existing) who takes pictures of some stupid 500 year old cottage in Yorkshire which is about to pulled down anyway, and the when I said "It's our language, damnit!" I was using it as an excuse for why Britons often use two or three words to mean the same thing, or one word with a thousand different meanings, depending on context. Once again .I was joking.

That, and english is a degenerate form of old german anyway (with bits of french, Latin and greek thrown in for good measure).

Anyway, do you honestly think we've got room here for a New York? Just standard York is plenty big enough! Maybe if we had about ten million square miles of open space to develop into, we might have some large cities, as it is I suppose we'll have to stay as a cute little stopover.

As for the whole reference to WWII there, that's the one place i can fault you. The Russians had Adolf on the backfoot anyway, And we defended ourselves from invasion quite capably.

Sorry if I pissed you off, I honestly didn't mean it. I was just using Britain as an example of how looks can be deceiving, especially when you've got somewhere else to go!

[Irish Witch]

Yeah, sorry I blew up. I had to deal with a bombastic American today down the street so what you said hit a twinging nerv....

And English isn't derived from a german dialect, so much. It is derived primarily from the Roman Language crossed over with the Nordic base and influenced by Gaelic roots!
While the Germans were descended from a branch of the norse their language is also effected by languages from surrounding countries!

Basically, The UK and east europe has been taken-over and cross-traded with each other so many times for so many years that there's no way to accurate trace the language bases!

[Infinity-Iz-Blue]

Oh, Irish, I wasn't telling you to chill out, that whole post was directed at Thai Shoot. Although you did seem to need it.

I wonder whether he'll read that post anytime soon? I'd hate to think I've pissed him off that badly.

[C_wire]

Read a history book other than your own. The reason the war ended was solely because a German scientist defected and litterally handed over the secrets to the German codes. And he handed them to the French.
The only reason you Americans think you won the war was because you were the last ones to join the fight!

THAT had nothing to do with winning the war, and if you talk to any of the old geezers who were around during or soon after the war than it was mainly the scotts and anzacs that were feered during that war!
All you Americans did was to shoot an atom bomb at a city and you know how that ended up!

Go read a history book that wasn't made for American Propaganda!

Ahh, but you forget that it was the Polish who actually *cracked* the early Enigma machines, after the French *and* English had declared them uncrackable.

Really, the biggest thing to remember was that World War II was a game of who-can-gear-up-as-much-industrial-production-as-possible. The US did really do wonders for that. If the US hadn't entered the war, the UK would have been eventually forced to have, at best, an armed standoff with the German Empire. And, of course, the Russians and the mass of people they threw at the eastern front are singularly underappreciated, thanks to cold war propaganda.

[Infinity-Iz-Blue]

i never said we'd beat hitler to a pulp, I just said we defended ourselves more-than-adequately (it's because 9 times out of 10 we could recover both aircraft and pilots and fly them again, the Luftwaffe had no means of recovering their airforce once they were shot down, so actually, if you count the times each plane was in the air, rather than the actual number of craft we had numerical air superiority)!

And I did say that the Russians were busily kicking arse on the eastern front.

[Infinity-Iz-Blue]

Oh, Irish, I wasn't telling you to chill out, that whole post was directed at Thai Shoot. Although you did seem to need it.

Oh, and the only reason we've been conquered so many times is because of the lack of centralised government right through the dark ages, when the Romans left, nobody was in power long enough to organise defense against the next invasion!

I wonder whether he'll read that post anytime soon? I'd hate to think I've pissed him off that badly.

[Irish Witch]

Yeah, I did have to chill. I've had a long day that started with bills, arguments with work, conflicts with a pompus american at the bank, and then the rest of the day trying to teach someone (my mother) video editing so she could create this DVD..

Add to that being full-time employed for the first time in my life and a number of other personal probs and I'm exhausted and twanging all over.

[Infinity-Iz-Blue]

Man. Harsh shit.

It's not the explosive arguments that get you though, is it? It's the low-key nagging problems and the repetetively stressful things.

[Irish Witch]

No kidding.

[Infinity-Iz-Blue]

Oh well, Try a smile! Go on, nobody can see ya!

[Irish Witch]

*smiles*...

nonononononononono...
Cant do it... It's 1am, I think I should frown at having to go to bed now!

[Thai_shoot]

Wow.

*sheepishly puts down large menacing weapon*

Infinity - I guess I was wrong, but it seemed that you were newbie hunting on your first post here and I don't take well to being prey. And as for being too mad to come back - I never shy away from a good battle.

Irish - I am not the stereotypical "ugly american" as portayed in the minds (and rightly so) of most Europeans. I have traveled across the pond a couple times and I try to blend in and be as accommodating and gracious as possible.

To both of you. I understand where you are coming from.

the stereotypical fat-bastard texan with a loud shirt and a camera (which, while I'm on the subject, I can't possibly imagine actually existing) who takes pictures of some stupid 500 year old cottage in Yorkshire which is about to pulled down anyway

He and his cousins do exist all over this country, and sometimes, they regretibly become our ambassadors. There are however, many REAL travelers here. Those of us who like to eat, drink and party with the locals, like the locals wherever we go. Not just stomp all over your old and revered landmarks.

[Thai_shoot]

Hope everything is cool - *Best fat hick accent* You sumbitches are awright!

[Squidflakes]

Yay! Its throw down time!

Read a history book other than your own. The reason the war ended was solely because a German scientist defected and litterally handed over the secrets to the German codes.

No no no no no no! No more foreplay!
The 'reason' the war ended is because a large force of American infantry and armor were headed at Berlin from the North and West, and an even larger force of Red Army infantry and armor were headed there from the East. Rounds were fired, lives were lost. German morale collapsed in the face of this join assault, but there was still enough resistance left to make the capture of Berlin a bloody and drawn out affair. The leader of the German state killed himself, a good portion of his underlings were incapable of running a right proper war, and German production had been squandered on Vengance weapons instead of good ole conventional arms. (with the exception of the jet fighters, which would have made the air war over german MUCH deadlier for the Allies had Hitler not had his head in his ass in regards to the me262)

Due to the daylight bombing raids on the oil production/storage and ball bearing factories of Germany by the American 3rd Airforce, the implacible defense of England by the RAF, the covert operations against sensitive targets carried about by the SAS and SBS, Germany was unable to supply her armies with the fuel, parts, and replacements needed to keep it functioning as an effective fighting force. This was further aggrivated by Hitler fighting was could be considered a 4 front war, the utter shattering of German communications encryption (done by the Polish, delivered by the French, constantly kept decryped by some hard working English women, who were provided updates and needed food and fuel by the Americans)

The reason most Americans think we won the war is because we did. Our part of the war anyway. The European front had NOTHING to do with America. We provided more material, food, fuel, and logistics support than anything else. Yes, we sent troops, and not a small number, but it still wasn't our war. On the other side of that stick, the Soviet Union provided 13,600,000 brave soldiers. 13 MILLION soviet lives, and those were just military losses, toss in another 7.7 MILLION civilian deaths from a duet by Stalin on the pistol to the back of the head in the middle of the night (that big fat bastard) and the German Army on the Panzerkampfwagen, and you start to see where the blood came from.

All you Americans did was to shoot an atom bomb at a city and you know how that ended up!

That's all we did? May I remind the lady that is was two nuclear weapons, not one, at a cost of $1,889,604,000 in 1945 dollars, or just over 21 BILLION dollars today. Not to mention the loss of 77,676 troops in the Pacific theater, along with an utter shit ton of shipping, aircraft, and armor.

One thing I will not stand for is the bashing of America's contribution to the war effort. Yes, a lot of Americans like to think that a single American soldier armed with rifle, pistol, combat knife, and smoldering stub of a cigar single handedly slaughterd every single German, Japanese, and Italian soldier that came across his path, but us here on these forums know better. America may not have supplied the MOST of anything, but what we did do is send 295,000 of our young men off to their deaths, most of the time, defending or liberating someone elses home. Like the former homes of the 3.5 MILLION brave Chinese soldiers who gave their lives to the Japanese. We could have taken the more European tactic of rolling over and claiming that it wasn't our war, but we're not like that. We're more like the English (big suprise) who paid their debt to the tune of 452,000 soldiers and 60,000 civilians.

And English isn't derived from a german dialect, so much.

Yes, yes it is. English is a germanic language, meaning, derived from... GERMANIC. German was also derived from Germanic.

It is derived primarily from the Roman Language crossed over with the Nordic base and influenced by Gaelic roots!

No, no its not. The languages derived from Latin (the Roman Language) are Italian, French, Spanish, and Portuguese.

English borrows words with Latin roots, Nordic roots, and in some extremely rare cases Urdu roots. Gaelic is almost dead, and only influences Lorenna McKennet albums and SCA members with too much time on their hands. I can think of exactly one Gaelic word that has made it into an English lexicon, and even that isn't used all that much anymore.

I was referring to the stereotypical fat-bastard texan with a loud shirt and a camera

Right, I'll do you for that!

Behold Squiddy.. a fat bastard texan in a loud shirt and a camera



I am of course the one with the facial hair, and the camera.. well, that's what the picture was take with. And you said we didn't exist!