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[Zavion]

Follow me on this one. It'll seem like I'm not anwsering the question.

There is no such thing as chaos. There are just innumerable variables to any situation which take longer to calculate than just the estimation of what's going to happen.

Nothing is ever random. When you drop a dice, a billion things happen all at once. The side the dice could be caluculated before it was dropped if there was some way for the person to account for all of the variables involved.

However, if all parties involved know not the outcome to a situation, it's as good as random. Luck is an illusion of not being able to tell the outcome of a situation because of not being able to know all the variables.

All things that all people do are, in reality, entirely predictable, if someone could know the variables that would be involved in the prediction.
Free will is a lot like luck. As no one person is aware of the hundreds of thousands of things happening in their own brain at once, it might as well be random. And thus you get the illusion of free will. And you can live entirely your whole life believing you have it, and it wouldn't be faulted of you because you would never have the capability of caluclating every single thing you did. Hell, people aren't even inherently aware they have a brain.

However, for the sake of arguement, no one has the calculating powers to determine all of these variables. So, like a game of dice, while there is no randomness or choice, because all parties involved cannot calculate the outcome, it might as well be random.

However, also like a game, a person can be predicted to do certain situations in any given situation. Educated guesses can be made.

In the situation with the daisy, the question could either be anwsered in how the daisy was desteroyed (Frank's foot put internal pressure on the daisy causing it to rupture) or what caused Frank to walk on it.

You don't need to go back any farther than you necisary for the anwser to the question, except in my case 'Why did you do this' which was pretty vague.

(Note: I vasly misread Allen's topic and thought he said that you could discount the meaning of everything, but you DO need to believe in a meaning ot the universe, which is why I wrote the following:)

The universe doesn't need any more reason to exist than a rock does. It does (exist). It's not significant. It only seems significant because it's convenient for us. If we didn't exist, then it wouldn't hold significance to us.
Whenever we see something convienient, that doesn't make it significant.
That's pretty arrogant to think that the universe has 'willed' something 'nice' to happen to you.
People wrongly assume the basic state of things is a life-death cycle.
They assume because their 'life' had seemingly obvious begining (birth) and will have a seemingly obvious ending (death) that every other lifeform has a similar begining and end, so they assume that everything has such a begining and end.
When in reality nothing ever begins, and nothing ever ends. Time is a concept made up by humans to calculate rotations of the Earth. All matter exists in infinate parellel. What it does in the mean time, the things it happens to take shape of for a while, those things have beginings and ends.
But, the matter in those objects, your body, it's existed infinitally before 'you' did. It'll exist after 'you' cease to exist, and for infinity too. You accumulate and absorb mass and lose it during your life, but it's not really 'yours'. 'You're' just 'borrowing' it.
The water you drink was drank by dinosaurs,
and the air you breath was part of the first few
plant like bacteria.
And before they had it it was part of the Earth.
And before that it was part of our sun's nebula.

[Zavion]

Best quote from me ever.

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