Um, help? Please?

Miffyb · Post by **Miffyb** » Mon Jan 19, 2004 7:27 pm

I've been registered with Keenspace for almost two years and sadly, I still haven't updated my comic because I have no clue what I'm doing. The guide I found in here jumped from one thing to another so fast that I'm still as lost as ever, and being the idiot that I am I skipped the walkthrough when I first signed in, so I have no idea how to do anything.

I have a folder for my comic, but I have no idea how to upload onto the site, and I have subfolders for comics, data, images, and webpages, in that order like I read in the guide. But I have no idea what the public folder is that people wsrite about, or the workspace folder, or anything like that.

If anyone knows a very simply written walkthrough that's easy to understand, or can explain in terms I can understand just what I'm doing wrong, I would be very grateful.

Moonshadow · Post by **Moonshadow** » Mon Jan 19, 2004 9:50 pm

Well, to get in, upload your comic, pages, etc, you'll need an ftp program. Sadly, the one I use is no longer available so I can't really recommend it to you but there's others recommended all over the place here. Feel free to try one of those. You can also apparently use Internet Explorer to ftp in, but I've never tried it.

assuming your account works the same as mine (mine's very new), you'll connect to username.keenspace.com... so if your username is miffyb, then you'll connect to miffyb.keenspace.com. If you use Explorer ftp then in the address bar you'll enter ftp://miffyb.keenspace.com. Then your username (miffyb in this case) and password (whatever it may be). That's where you'll get the public_html and workspace folders. You generally want to stay out of public_html and put everything in workspace. Comic images and text files that may accompany them go in comics. The index_template and daily_template files go in the workspace directory itself, all other pages (character bios, links) go in the webpages directory. Images other than comics go in the images directory. It's really pretty easy once you get in there and can actually see how it works. Just start simple, see what happens, and from there experiment until you break it, fix it, and keep going.

Hope that helps a little. ^_^

KittyKatBlack · Post by **KittyKatBlack** » Mon Jan 19, 2004 10:02 pm

Keenspace Roadmap. A layman's guide to making a webcomic
By: KittyKatBlack

Tidbits and FAQ's are nice, but having a roadmap is always helpful. Having a roadmap that says YOU ARE HERE, and YOUR DESTINATION with a big red line from one to the other is even better. That's what I'm hoping to provide with this document. Hope being the keyword there. I'm going to try and explain how to go from "Hmm... I want to make a comic." to "AUGH! I haven't gotten the update done yet! My readers are going to kill me!" in as simple of terms as I possibly can. So, here we go...

Step 1: "I'm bored, let's make a comic."

Alright, so you want to make a webcomic? Great. I'm not going into the do's and don'ts of webcomic making, I'm just going to tell you how to do it. I'm going to trust you actually have a comic you feel like making, and just aren't just trying to kill an afternoon.
At any rate you need to sign up at http://www.keenspace.com. Specificly, the join page. They've provided you with steps. Follow them, they're not that complicated. Once you fill out the form and sign up, you'll recive an E-Mail in a few days asking you if you're SURE you want to make a comic. If you have ANY doubts about this comic thing, now's your chance to back out. If you changed your mind about it, don't reply and your site won't be created. If you do, here's your hardhat, follow me.
You'll get another E-mail in about a week or so with your Username, Sitename, Password and other goodies. DO NOT DELETE THIS E-MAIL. If you haven't got it in a week, make sure it didn't end up in the 'spam' folder of your mail program. I use Yahoo, and occasionally automated e-mail messages I WANT do end up in my 'bulk/spam' mailbox, instead of my normal inbox. Be sure to check both. Ok, you got your E-mail and all your info. Now what do you do with it?
You'll need to go to the login page. Put in your user name and password. You should come to a screen which lets you modify settings about your site. NOTE: THIS IS NOT AN FTP PROGRAM. It does NOTHING but let you modify your settings on the guide, add banners and tell your site to update once you've made modifications. We'll get into the FTP part in the next step. Back to the login. If you CAN'T log in for some reason, there's two possibilities. The first is that the DNS hasn't propigated, (Huh? What? DNS is a fancy term for where your site is located. All this means is, "We've created your site, but it's still on our computer and we haven't opened access to it to other computers yet.") There's nothing you can do about this but wait. You can go here to check and see if your site and password are activated. If you STILL can't log in then you should request a new password here. For some reason a recent problem has caused an in-active password to be sent in the confirmation e-mail, rendering it useless. Just request a new one. You'll get it immediately. If you can log in, you're ready to go.

Step 2: "Ok, so what's this FTP stuff?"

FTP is an internet protocal that stands for File Transfer Protocol. It's pretty self explanitory. What it does is provide a way for you to take files you have on YOUR computer and put them on the computers in the Keenspace HQ. An FTP program is the thing that does all the work. The FTP program I use for this is called LeechFTP there's other ones out there, and I already wrote a simple tutorial on how it works. There are lots of FTP programs, but this is the one I use, so it's the only one I can tell you about. I'm not going to download a bunch of FTP stuff and figure it out. This one works, so if I talk about an FTP program, it's this one. I'll assume you also read the tutorial on how to use it, so I'm not going to explain how to use it here either. Alright, you got your site, you've got your FTP to get stuff on it, so now what?

Step 3: "That's great... but my site still looks like crap."

There are many ways to go about getting your site to look pretty. I'm not going to walk you through creating the stuff for your site, but I'll explain the basics of how to go about getting the stuff you've made in order and how to get it to work on Keenspace. First off, you need a comic. You should have at least one comic ready to post by this point. If not go draw one. And don't make it a 'COMIC COMING SOON!" dealy. Draw a comic. People hate when you do that. Anyway you're armed with your comic. How do you put it on your site?
Keenspace uses an automated system for handling how comics are put on the web. It seems overwhelming at first but once you figure it out, it's quite simple. If you go into your FTP and open your Keenspace folder, you will see these folders:

/public_html

/workspace

/public_html
The public_html folder is where all the stuff people visiting your site will see. It's all the important parts. In other words, if Keenspace is a theater, your Public_HTML folder is the stage. This is where all the pretty action happens.
Inside this folder are these files and folders:

/comics
/d
/images
/w

index.html
rss.xml

Some of you who know how HTML works, will see 'index.html' and go: 'Oh, thanks. I can take it from here.' No, you can't. You do NOT touch index.html. I'll explain in a bit, but sit back down, and keep reading. Remember how I said public_html is the stage? You don't change wardrobe on stage, you don't put on makup on stage. On stage is for actors only. You're the director/crew/makup/wardrobe sections. Your comic is the actor. So you don't belong on stage.

/comics
This is where your comics will be (duh!). But this is NOT where you upload comics to. (Confused yet? ^_^;). Bear with me, this will make sence soon enough.

/d
This is where all your archive pages will be generated. (All your past comics will be stored here, so people can view them by clicking the 'back' and 'first comic' buttons).

/images
This is the ONE folder in public_html that you DO directly modify. ALL of your graphics OTHER than your comic (READ: Your comic does NOT go in this folder.) itself goes in this folder. Background images, link buttons, and any other decorations you want on your site. They all go in here.

/w
Honestly, I have no clue. It has some purpose, but I don't know what it is. Apparently whatever that purpose is, it's not something you're going to notice. Just don't delete it. (Or any folders, for that matter. If you delete a main folder, your site WILL not work, and you can't just 'make them again' The admins have to add it in. They don't like doing it. They won't like you if you do. So again DON'T DELETE FOLDERS!)

index.html
This is your main site. This is what is displayed to the public when they go to "yoursitename.keenspace.com". No. You can't touch it. Hands off! Trust me.

rss.xml
This is for you, not your readers. This nifty little thing lets you check the status of your website just by typing "http://yoursitename.keenspace.com/rss.xml" in your browser.

At this point, you might be thinking, "Well where the hell do I put all this crap I made?"
This is where the /workspace directory (folder) comes into play.

/workspace
Ok, we're at the theater again. We have a stage. What else? Oh, a BACKSTAGE! That's what this is. This is where all the nitty gritty is set up and prepared for the stage. In this folder has the following files and folders in it:

/comics (What? Again?)
/webpages

indextemplate.html
dailytemplate.html

/comics
You're probably saying, "Didn't we go over this one already?" No, let me explain. This is where your comics are UPLOADED. They actually don't stay here. If you notice, I said that the /public_html/comics STORES your comics. How do they get there from here? I'll explain that in a minute.

/webpages
This is where all your extra pages will be uploaded. Links, Cast pages, link pages, art pages, etc, any other stuff other than your archives and index page will go in here. There's a REASON they go in here, instead of directly in the folder with index.html

indextemplate.html
This looks like index.html except for a few changes. The -template.html pages have non-html tags in them that are used SPECIFICLY by Autokeen. All of these tags are surrounded by ***'s. You'll see things like ***todays_comics***, and ***today's_date*** and other such things. These are what make the AUTOKEEN system the wonderful thing it is.

dailytemplate.html
Since it's figured that all your archive pages will be exactly the same, except for the comic that's displayed on them, this is the template for ALL of those pages. This holds information on what those pages should look like.

Ok. Ask it. "Why the heck are there TWO folders?! This is stupid and overcomplicated. I'm just going to edit my index.html like a NORMAL person." Now, stand still so I can knock some sence into you.

This is how the keenspace system works, in a nutshell.

/workspace/content ==> AUTOKEEN TAG REPLACEMENT => /public_html/content

Pretty simple, really. The reason there are two folders like this is simply because one is a TEMPLATE (Hey, I've seen that word before!) for what your pages SHOULD look like. The other holds the actual pages. There are plenty of tutorials explaining what the tags are, and how they work, so read some of those if you want to know the specifics about them. I've made a breakdown of the indextemplate.html file in the Tagtorial already, so if you want specifics on what they are and how to modify them, check there.

Step 4: "Ok, I understand the indextemplate thing, but what about all those other folders?"
The index page is probably not going to be the only page you'll want to make. Many of you are artists and want to display artwork on a different page, or want a cast page, or a rant page, or whatever. This is where all these other folders come in.

/workspace/webpages
This is where you upload all your extra pages, like I've stated before. Why here and not directly into the main folder? Simple. In order for your KEENTAGS to get transformed into code your browser can read, it needs to go through AUTOKEEN. If you just put ***advertisement*** on a webpage and slap it into the main folder, you will get ***advertisement*** on your webpage, not the advertisement that Keenspace REQUIRES you to have on EVERY page of your website... (OOoooh... that's why I can't just make a tag-free page myself... damn.) So yeah. Pretty much everything you do will have to go through Autokeen at one point or another, so it's easier to just work with the system instead of trying to fight your way around it. This is why you don't touch anything in public_html except the /images folder. (Since images are just image files and don't have anything that needs to be modified by Autokeen). Autokeen creates all the content in /public_html based on what you have in /workspace.
The /comics folder is similar. Even though the comics themselves aren't directly modified in any way, they are saved in date format. (Meaning YYYYMMDD ex. 20040118 = 01/18/2004. And yes you HAVE to put 0's in front of single digits for month and day. 2004118 WILL NOT WORK) The reason for this is so you can upload a week's worth of comics, and Autokeen will ONLY display the comic for that day instead of all of them at once. When a comic is displayed, it is moved from /workspace/comics to /public_html/comics. Any comics still waiting to be posted will stay in /workspace/comics until the date they are taged with. See how all this is starting to make sence now? I hope so.

Step 5: "How do I create my pages and make them look pretty?! You still haven't told me!"
Well, that's because I can't. I've told you how to get them on the web, but I can't tell you specificly how to code your pages. You'll have to do that with a HTML program, or learn how to write HTML from scratch (It's not hard, and you can learn how to make a pretty decent page in about an hour just by reading some tutorials on the web.) Images are the same way. I can't tell you how to design your site. I can simply tell you how to get it up and running. If you have specific questions about things, you can always ask on the forums. This is just a basic guide on getting your pages to work.

Step 6: "Oh... well, thanks."
That's about as much as I can give you on how to get your page up and running. If you felt I left anything out, post a reply to this thread and let me know, or e-mail me. I have a link for it in my sig. Hopefully, you're at least able to see your site coming together by now. Happy comicing!

-KittyKatBlack

KittyKatBlack · Post by **KittyKatBlack** » Mon Jan 19, 2004 10:07 pm

(By the way, I wrote this with other people in mind, so some of this might not apply directly to you, It's mainly as a multi-purpose tutorial, made at your request. ^_^)

Brockway · Post by **Brockway** » Mon Jan 19, 2004 10:12 pm

I love you. And want to have your babies. As must miffy. Holy crap... it like walks you through the whole thing! From now on, people can just link to that post instead of talking to the newbies! You must be trying to make up for some serious karma incursions, or filled with love for your fellow wo/man. On that note, only think I can add is this: I'd suggest using wsftple for ftping. Its easy to use, free, and you can easily edit your webpages using notepad through it. And thats it.

KittyKatBlack · Post by **KittyKatBlack** » Mon Jan 19, 2004 10:42 pm

I have an innate urge to help people that are in trouble and I dunno why, exactly. I'm probably just insane, but hey, you guys benifit from it, so I guess it's not a bad thing.

Clawster · Post by **Clawster** » Tue Jan 20, 2004 4:05 am

this roadmap is fantastic kittykat - you should get one of the admis to stickyfy it - it's just as good as the tagtorial

Phalanx · Post by **Phalanx** » Tue Jan 20, 2004 5:17 am

KittyKatBlack wrote:I have an innate urge to help people that are in trouble and I dunno why, exactly. I'm probably just insane, but hey, you guys benifit from it, so I guess it's not a bad thing.

I know that feeling...

I could add the roadmap to the tagtorial if you want, but they both seem to be discussing the same topics, other than yours is in a more newbie-friendly format than the step-by-step guide. Still, it IS useful, and definitely easier to understand for someone who doesn't know much about websites and stuff

I don't quite like the idea of adding yet another sticky in the help forum though. There are already 7-8 announcements and stickies clogging up the first page, i'd prefer it if we kept those numbers down.

YarpsDat · Post by **YarpsDat** » Tue Jan 20, 2004 5:31 am

How about you made the first post of FAQ a kind of table of contens
with links to more specyfic sections?

ie:
start here if you have NO idea what you're doing
start here if you have some
start here if you think you know it all better, but for some reason it's not working
ect...

TheGoobla · Post by **TheGoobla** » Tue Jan 20, 2004 7:24 am

OMFG! We shall never have to talk to the newbs again!

ALL HAIL KITTYKATBLACK, GODDESS OF THE WEIRD SQUIGGLY LINE!!

*worships*

KittyKatBlack · Post by **KittyKatBlack** » Tue Jan 20, 2004 8:08 am

I might make a web page for it or something. I have the post saved in Notepad, I'd just have to convert the forum tags to HTML... but sure if I post any tutorial type things on here for whatever reason and you wanna use them in your help stuff, feel free to do so. That's why I'm posting it.

Faub · Post by **Faub** » Tue Jan 20, 2004 9:46 am

I've been making backups of stuff like this on my forum. Would you mind if I copied it?

Phalanx · Post by **Phalanx** » Tue Jan 20, 2004 10:56 am

Excellent idea, YarpsDat!

There's already too much content in that one single post... I'm sure most people don't even read the FAQ section because it's so long. If we could break it up into a series of guided links it serve a much better purpose. That way I can link to Kitty Kat's stuff as well without bloating the FAQ to the point of information overload.

Maybe I can move the FAQ section off somewhere more easier to navigate. I guess I should start making use of that FAQ system Youlie offered ages ago...

*cackle* at the rate we're going, we could end up taking over http://gear.keenspace.com

and turning it into an actually functioning site.

I wish.

KittyKatBlack · Post by **KittyKatBlack** » Tue Jan 20, 2004 12:26 pm

faub wrote:I've been making backups of stuff like this on my forum. Would you mind if I copied it?

Feel free to post it wherever you think it'll help other people. I don't mind. Though I would ask that you at least keep my name on it. Heh. ^_^;

...after all that WAS a lot of typing. o_O

Faub · Post by **Faub** » Tue Jan 20, 2004 1:59 pm

How's this?
http://www.talkaboutcomics.com/viewtopic.php?t=12219
It's just a link I can reference that has the info as the first post.

KittyKatBlack · Post by **KittyKatBlack** » Tue Jan 20, 2004 2:48 pm

Looks good, but turn of the smilies, one ended up in there on accident. Heh.

Archive · Post by **Archive** » Sat Jan 31, 2004 10:08 pm

~Crys with joy.~

I can only say thank you so very much! Lost and confused is not a happy place to be. Thank all hells there are nice people.

Phalanx · Post by **Phalanx** » Sun Feb 01, 2004 4:32 am

I also included a link to the Roadmap in the FAQ, just before the Step-by-step guide.

The problem with doing CS that you forget people sometimes don't know stuff you take for granted they do. If I haven't saluted Kitty for the Roadmap yet: I do so now.

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