Religious Preference, Or Lack Thereof

KittyKatBlack · Post by **KittyKatBlack** » Wed Dec 31, 2003 4:46 pm

This makes me wonder if sometime along the line, God made some "Don't ask, Don't tell." pact with the few people that knew for a fact if he existed or not.

YarpsDat · Post by **YarpsDat** » Wed Dec 31, 2003 4:48 pm

Tenma wrote: Agnostics believe that the existence of God is not known, and some believe that there can be no proof either that God exists or that God does not exist.

Actually, I think, it can be proven there is no proof of God's existence, or nonexistence.

Tenma wrote:
TheGoobla wrote:The difference between atheism, and agnosticism. And I quote:

"Agnostics don't believe in God. Atheists believe there is no god."
This is an untrue statement.

Wait, are you sure? It's been a while, but I think Goobla had it right, at least that's what I was taught.
And in your version, how would ones that believe there is no god would call themselves?

ZOMBIE USER 17345 · Post by **ZOMBIE USER 17345** » Wed Dec 31, 2003 4:49 pm

"What if we're just the latest in a long line of creationary revisions?"
Now I pose a deeper question: is every line identical or do variations occur in each?

KittyKatBlack · Post by **KittyKatBlack** » Wed Dec 31, 2003 4:51 pm

YarpsDat wrote:And in your version, how would ones that believe there is no god would call themselves?

Deity Challenged?

ZOMBIE USER 17345 · Post by **ZOMBIE USER 17345** » Wed Dec 31, 2003 4:55 pm

Antitheists?

DGC · Post by **DGC** » Wed Dec 31, 2003 4:58 pm

Communists?

YarpsDat · Post by **YarpsDat** » Wed Dec 31, 2003 5:01 pm

fi13r wrote: There's also the fact that nonexistance of oneself is a concept that the concious mind cannot rationally concieve of, because the concept is outside the concious mind.

Can you present self-nonexistence in a rational manner that the concious mind can grasp?

When I was a little boy, and I wrote my wery first neural network simulator, I often wondered what could it feel, and what would be its outlook on life. And what would happen when the user restarted the program?
What would "I" feel if I was just a group of neurons on computer screen?
How many neurons would it take to actually feel something? 100? 1000? Couple of milions? Why that many?

And another food for though:
let's say the world is a game. Not a fancy 3D game, but a boardgame:
All the objects and all the people are represented by a piece of the board, some of them describe status of our bodies, and our minds soo.
There are cards,coins, tokens ect., indicating the current state.
There are certain indyviduals playing the game, and they have a big rulebook. A very BIG rulebook with tons of rules
ie. "If YarpsDat is logged onto the forum, and he thinks he posts, add one "post token" to the forum, substract 5 min from YarpsDat timeunits."
That way I would "think" I posted, without even posting anything. Actually everybody would think I posted something.
Would I even notice that if I was just a boardgame?

@_o
weird out. like peace out, but different ; )

KittyKatBlack · Post by **KittyKatBlack** » Wed Dec 31, 2003 5:04 pm

YarpsDat wrote:When I was a little boy, and I wrote my wery first neural network simulator

Man, and I was excited if I could build a house out of legos... blow my battleship right out of the water why don'tcha... -_-

YarpsDat · Post by **YarpsDat** » Wed Dec 31, 2003 5:20 pm

Battleship ^___^

About that neural network... it wasn't really _that_ special. I was 8, or 9, and it was back in the 80's, I just got a computer and the games were on tapes, and it took 1 hour to load a game, so basicaly I just had to learn how to program the thing.
I mean, almost every kid with a computer could write a "pong" clone thoes days, and making a couple of "neurons" isn't that difficult if you do it at random.

Oh, lego was cool too. Battleships ^___^ (first space vessels, pirates later)
But I've grown up. Too bad I'm too poor to buy the programmable robot thingy(MindStorms), that's still cool.

Tenma · Post by **Tenma** » Wed Dec 31, 2003 5:44 pm

YarpsDat wrote:
Tenma wrote: Agnostics believe that the existence of God is not known, and some believe that there can be no proof either that God exists or that God does not exist.
Actually, I think, it can be proven there is no proof of God's existence, or nonexistence.

Currently, yes. Agnostics believe that such proof can never be obtained.

YarpsDat wrote:
Tenma wrote:
TheGoobla wrote:The difference between atheism, and agnosticism. And I quote:

"Agnostics don't believe in God. Atheists believe there is no god."
This is an untrue statement.
Wait, are you sure? It's been a while, but I think Goobla had it right, at least that's what I was taught. And in your version, how would ones that believe there is no god would call themselves?

While dictionaries have a few different interpretations of the words Atheism and Agnosticism, they generally agree on the definitions I've given (Dictionary.com, for example.) It's not surprising that most people were taught a meaning that wasn't entirely accurate, given that these groups have never been very prominent, considering the religious majority.

People who actively believe there is no God can technically be called Atheists too, but like ArchVileTerror suggested, antitheist is a better term for them. And, yes, it is a word.

Too bad I didn't think to put that one in the poll. :-)

Later...
--Tenma

ZOMBIE USER 17345 · Post by **ZOMBIE USER 17345** » Wed Dec 31, 2003 5:47 pm

God, I'm getting confused.

OOPS! I mean, "No one, I'm getting confused".

Executor_Arthas · Post by **Executor_Arthas** » Wed Dec 31, 2003 6:22 pm

I believe in God. I also believe in karma. I also believe, that ones morals and values are derived from what they are taught as a child, so if a child is brought-up being told that killing's very normal, and is okay to do, then how can we criticize and call that child a monster, when it isn't even his fault that he believes that killing people's okay. That's why insanity's a viable defense in the courts, and that's why we don't go bombing other countries at random... Oops, the U.S. already did.

TheGoobla · Post by **TheGoobla** » Wed Dec 31, 2003 6:25 pm

Murray Langston: Well, I used to be an atheist, until I found out I was God.

ZOMBIE USER 17021 · Post by **ZOMBIE USER 17021** » Wed Dec 31, 2003 6:30 pm

What if I devour gods? What faith am I then?

TheGoobla · Post by **TheGoobla** » Wed Dec 31, 2003 6:31 pm

Thissomegoodshitism.

Jeffrey6283 · Post by **Jeffrey6283** » Wed Dec 31, 2003 11:45 pm

I think that the big problem with the premise of this topic is that fact that a lot of people don't understand the difference between atheism and agnostics. These people usually put all of the above under "atheism" as in all things non-monotheistic. But anyways, enough of my ranting.... I'm agnostic all the way....

There IS a spoon.... its how I eat my cereal

DGC · Post by **DGC** » Thu Jan 01, 2004 6:48 pm

ArchVileTerror wrote:What if I devour gods? What faith am I then?

Probably one of those wacky evil Hindu Gods.

ZOMBIE USER 17345 · Post by **ZOMBIE USER 17345** » Thu Jan 01, 2004 7:33 pm

I thought gods devouring gods was a theme in several religions.

But what about a mortal devouring gods. Have there been any mythological or religious references to that?

Executor_Arthas · Post by **Executor_Arthas** » Thu Jan 01, 2004 9:53 pm

Not eating each other, but they devour the other's powers. Well most of the time.

ZOMBIE USER 17021 · Post by **ZOMBIE USER 17021** » Thu Jan 01, 2004 9:58 pm

It's a Newfie! The butt end of nearly every Canadian joke that isn't making fun of americans!

The most classic of those jokes being:

In 20XX war broke out between the Newfoundlanders and the people of Qu

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Religious Preference, Or Lack Thereof

What is your religious preference?

Oo!

Nah. Sounds too P.C.

Tee hee.

'Old on!

Re: 'Old on!

Funny.

AAAIE!