I just saw Lilo and Stitch

Zodo · Post by **Zodo** » Wed Jul 24, 2002 12:58 am

Hercules?

Hercules?

Good gawd, I don't think I've ever seen an animated movie that carted up so much horse manure in all my life, and that includes all the DTV "let's make another metric boatload of cash" movies that Disney crapped out of Mickey's anus over the past decade.

I snuck in to see Hercules, and I think I was overcharged!

Gah.

Ick!

Phah!

BLEAH! even.

By the way, i didn't care for it, either.

-Zodo, CI
Consummate Troublemaker
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Kendrakirai · Post by **Kendrakirai** » Wed Jul 24, 2002 3:27 pm

Don't hold back, Zodo, tell us how you *really* feel.

I don't think I have a top 3 disney flicks, myself....maybe....

Lilo and Stitch, the Little Mermaid, annnnd....hm. I can't think of another one. And the LIttle Mermaid was mostly for the scantily-clad mermaid chicks.

ZOMBIE USER 195 · Post by **ZOMBIE USER 195** » Thu Jul 25, 2002 11:46 am

I'd vote for Beauty and the Beast, just cuz the Beast has the coolest character design EVER, and they actually had a "story" with actual "characters" in mind when it was done. Lilo and Stitch is pretty close, though, just cuz it doesn't have "Something There" or a Celine Dion song in it.

I liked Hercules alright, but it just seemed like they were trying to rekindle the pop culture Aladdin comedy with it. Plus it had an I Want song that Michael Bolton sang. Ick! And, Meg was cool. And that's my two bit opinion!

Kendrakirai · Post by **Kendrakirai** » Thu Jul 25, 2002 9:00 pm

Well, Hercules gets bonus points for having very scantily clad babes in it. But it loses points for having Bolton associated with it. It loses a LOT of points for that.

Bolton is almost as heinous as Kenny G

Yun648 · Post by **Yun648** » Fri Jul 26, 2002 6:26 pm

Hercules represents the absolute WORST of Disney in the nineties, a bad trend which started with Pocahantas and includes Hunchback and Hercules, namely their tendency to take the names of characters from history/literaure and nothing else from the original source. It's like they read the dust jacket of a hardcover book and based the movie on that! But then I guess that's not really new since the same could be said of Jungle Book and Robin Hood. That's why they should stick to fairy tales, since they come from oral traditions there's really no "right" way to tell the story.

L&S is not in my top three Disney movies mainly cause I include the two Toy Story movies on that list, and I liked Lion King better if only because Scar is one of the most purely evil villans I've seen in any Disney movie, and if the characters have to break into song you can't do any better than "Be Prepared" and "Hakuna Matata." Plus Jeremy Irons and James Earl Jones in the same movie is one step towards perfection.

BJ · Post by BJ » Sat Jul 27, 2002 8:17 am

I tend to separate the Pixar films from Disney films, because the Big D is only there for creative consulting (their writers work with the Pixar writers) and some extended resources and marketing. The creative power behind them is 95% Pixar, but Pixar wouldn't be able to pull such a wide release without Disney. It's weird.

That's why I can count L&S on my list!

Kendrakirai · Post by **Kendrakirai** » Sat Jul 27, 2002 9:59 am

Yeah, that's why very few people count the Hayao Miyazaki films as disney movies...they just did the casting and dubbing and releasing.

To me, a 'disney movie' is one that's done all or almost all in-house.

I find it a bit interesting tho that the disney movies are getting more racy (I mean, LOOK at Nani in Lilo and Stitch...that too-tight baby-T, thoseway too tight cutoff jean shorts...dayum...while the Pixar and Hayao Miyazaki stuff is far less so. The raciest I can think of a miyazaki film getting is a worker woman's robe opening, and some mention of prostitution in Princess Mononoke, and Kiki's panties in Kiki's Delivery Service.

BJ · Post by BJ » Sat Jul 27, 2002 12:18 pm

You forget--wossname, the catburgler lady--went topless (noticably) and bottomless (discreetly covered) in one installment of Lupin. Written and directed (and character designs, etc, etc) by Miyazaki.

The one with the aeroplane. Can't even remember the title... Crap--I gotta ask Becky if I can borrow that one again....

ZOMBIE USER 1159 · Post by **ZOMBIE USER 1159** » Sun Jul 28, 2002 9:29 pm

Wasn't it something like Albatross Wings of Death?
Fun episode that. Put out by Streamline as I recall. Somebody was paying attention when they cast for that show.

Allan_ecker · Post by **Allan_ecker** » Mon Jul 29, 2002 2:53 pm

Someone said that it was a Disney first to have a joke character who wasn't idiotically pinned-on.

Not so.

Mushu, was not only very important to the flow of the story, (he's responsible for at least one crucial plot twist), but was also pretty useful in a pinch (as a lighter).

And let's not forget Horace and Jasper, anti-heroes of 101 Dalmations, original version, and countless others of the truly classic (while the Big Guy was alive) era.

Lilo and Stich was AWESOME, especially with the depth of character.

And everyone missed a crucial fact about the token white girl:

She wore glasses, and was

-deep breath-

NOT A NERD OR OUTCAST!!! SHE WAS, IN FACT, THE RINGLEADER OF THE ELETIST KIDS MAKING LILO'S LIFE A PAIN!!!

WHAAA!!!

Lilo and Stitch probably won't unseat Robin Hood as my all-time favorite Disney film, but that's ROBIN HOOD, we're talking about. Out of the Modern Era flicks, it's top, narrowly edging out Emperor's New Groove.

Just barely.

Seriously, they're like, elbowing each other.

Dude.

Mulan is third, just for those of you who are keeping track. I usually don't.

Oh, and the ending was not too sappy at all. Everyone had a reason to stay.

The creator stayed to watch over Stitch and gather data, mm, yummy data.

The incompetant beureaucrat and ex-mosquito lover stayed to learn more about Earth, since, apparently, he's the closest thing to an expert on the planet on Earth there is, and he's underqualified at the moment.

Bubbles stayed to prevent interstellar incidents and mass hysteria (I had some stuff about the origins of the word hysteria, but it's probably for the best that the BB ate them.)

So it all fits.

My favorite subplot was actually pretty standard Disney fare:

The guy with the mint chocolate chip ice cream.

Need I say more?

Ahayweh · Post by **Ahayweh** » Tue Jul 30, 2002 10:20 am

I finally got to see it day before yesterday. My parents were a bit skeptical about how much I'd like it, but I convinced them it sounded good, and my dad wound up liking it as much as I did- more, maybe. I have a feeling I'll be quoting it for ages. The fish eating the sandwich in the opening sequence was really cute, and I loved the guy with the mint chocolate chip ice cream. I'm going to have to see it again, and drag my mom to it this time.