Do I have to beg?

Stinkywigfiddle · Post by **Stinkywigfiddle** » Sat Jun 16, 2001 4:23 am

Read my comic please? Please, plaese read my comic!
~Gets down on knees~
Will you read my comic?I guess I sound a little desperate.
~gets off knees~
*ahem* <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/cool.gif">
I don't know how else to get people to read my comic. Maybe I should be patient.I'm bored. I like to check on the message boards a lot but nobodies posting anything!
Oh well...------------------
Who am I?
Daniel the Willingham
What do I do?
<A HREF="http://spacelosers.keenspace.com" TARGET=_blank>the comic SPACE LOSERS!</A>
Who cares?

K-Dawg · Post by **K-Dawg** » Sat Jun 16, 2001 4:30 am

Yeah I think you should be patient, you've only been around for I think about a little over a month right?
I really like your comic, but give it time my comic has been around for around 8 months, and we're just now starting to get some decent pageviews.
You can start posting a message like this 6 months from now if there is no big chance, but right now wait a while and be happy for the fans you have right now. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/smile.gif">------------------

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Read it because it's back from hiatus, and needs time to grow once more.One last thing....GARRY VALK!!! that is all.

Stinkywigfiddle · Post by **Stinkywigfiddle** » Sat Jun 16, 2001 4:47 am

I wasn't expecting to get a response so quickly. I'm glad you like my comic <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/biggrin.gif">
And yes, I should be patient. I month isn't very long after all.
It's just that this is the first time I can show my work to the world! And I'd like to hear back from the world. You know.
But, I mustn't complain. I wasn't complaining, was I? Well I mustn't anyway.
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Who am I?
Daniel the Willingham
What do I do?
<A HREF="http://spacelosers.keenspace.com" TARGET=_blank>the comic SPACE LOSERS!</A>
Who cares?

Brian Young · Post by **Brian Young** » Sat Jun 16, 2001 5:19 am

Hey, just wait and they will come! It takes time for your audience to surf their way to you. Last September I got a daily average of 52 pageviews. I now get ten times that much (1000%) a day, which is still not that great but that makes me happy. I predict if I stay around long enough I will increase another 1000%!! Don't quit, stay steady and keep improving! That's the key. When people realize that you WILL be around for a while they'll love you more and more I think.
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Inkz · Post by **Inkz** » Sun Jun 17, 2001 3:58 am

I guess patience is the key. Lots of patience. M.A.C.Studios has been around for a little more than a year now, and still nobody reads our stuff. Actually, maybe links from POPULAR sites is the key. I'm probably the wrong person to ask. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/confused.gif">------------------
Hardest working cartoonist on the internet.<A HREF="http://macstudios.keenspace.com" TARGET=_blank>http://macstudios.keenspace.com</A>

Evenstar · Post by **Evenstar** » Sun Jun 17, 2001 4:23 am

Hey, you got me onto your site this morning (before I even saw you begging on your knees <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/wink.gif"> ) That's... a very interesting *skinny* creature <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/smile.gif"> Actually, those Uyalls are quite adorable..From somebody who hasn't read that many online comics before (and was literally dragged onto Keenspace, but is now quite veritably hooked), you've got a really sophisticated style, and I love the melodramatic Hal (he's so cute <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/biggrin.gif">). Don't worry about the slow acceleration of readers... I'm sure it will be a very frequented site soon <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/smile.gif">BTW, you seem to update pretty often... is this why you don't do colour? Cos I'd love to see some with colour <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/smile.gif">------------------
"From the ashes a fire shall be woken,
A light from the shadows shall spring."
TOLKIEN[This message has been edited by evenstar (edited 06-17-2001).]

Reinder · Post by **Reinder** » Sun Jun 17, 2001 4:52 am

For comparison, Rogues of Clwyd-Rhan had 130 daily visitors when I moved it to Keenspace in November. Now it's 500 on a good day (the average including the weekends is 400). 600 on a great day. Growth does take time.White House in Orbit, on the other hand, has about 50 daily visitors, same as you. But it's only been a few weeks so that doesn't bother me.------------------
Reinder Dijkhuis
<A HREF="http://www.rocr.net/" TARGET=_blank>Rogues of Clwyd-Rhan</A>, Humorous fantasy strip, updated Mon-Fri, and really rather good. <A HREF="http://www.rocr.net/d/20000701.html" TARGET=_blank>Read it from the first strip!</A><A HREF="http://whio.keenspace.com/" TARGET=_blank>White House in Orbit</A>

Stinkywigfiddle · Post by **Stinkywigfiddle** » Sun Jun 17, 2001 5:28 am

Boy, It sure feels good to hear from people who like my comic. I think this is the best part of doing comics, hearing from your readers. Thank you all ~sniff~I've been trying hard to stay on a regular update schedule because I want to get the story started and moving (it's still at the introduction faze), and also because I don't want my readers to get bored with it.
I don't color because, it would take longer, I don't like to color too much, and I kind of like black and white.
Actually, I don't know, I like color too. Never mind. I'll stop talking now.------------------
Who am I?
Daniel the Willingham
What do I do?
<A HREF="http://spacelosers.keenspace.com" TARGET=_blank>the comic SPACE LOSERS!</A>
Who cares?

Evenstar · Post by **Evenstar** » Sun Jun 17, 2001 6:41 am

Don't worry, I'm not saying b&w sucks, in fact, I've been an advocate of it for years. You already have some colour drawings of your characters, I was just thinking more a once a week thing, like a Sunday special <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/smile.gif">Still, it's very intriguing, and I look forward to reading more of your stuff <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/biggrin.gif">------------------
"From the ashes a fire shall be woken,
A light from the shadows shall spring."
TOLKIEN

Stinkywigfiddle · Post by **Stinkywigfiddle** » Sun Jun 17, 2001 9:40 am

I read some of White House in Orbit and I'm meaning to put a link to it on my site.------------------
Who am I?
Daniel the Willingham
What do I do?
<A HREF="http://spacelosers.keenspace.com" TARGET=_blank>the comic SPACE LOSERS!</A>
Who cares?

Damonk13 · Post by **Damonk13** » Mon Jun 18, 2001 2:33 am

Dan,I was shown your "art site" before you started your Space Losers comic, and I was overjoyed when I found it!To add to some of the comments made here, I would agree that time will get you the pageviews you deserve, so yeah, be patient.Fan art and guest strips are a wonderful way to get new readers.I'd have to say that begging often will not work, tho. I know that when someone writes to me and asks me to read his/her comic, I'm happy to, but when I get the impression that said person is begging, or if said person continues to ask why I haven't put them on my links page, for instance, I usually get dismayed and react more adversely.Way I see it, with time, some people will find your strip, and like it. Some will like it so much that they will link to you (I have had you linked since the beginning of June <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/biggrin.gif"> ). I never ask anyone to link to me, because of the same logic.i figure that if they like it enough, and link me, then i have earned it, and feel better for that link than i would for a link that i pestered someone for, no matter how much i want them to link to me...you've got a good comic, dan -- i say that sincerely. you will doubtless develop a good following if you keep your story consistent as you have so far.keep it up, man ^_^ ------------------
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Quattro · Post by **Quattro** » Mon Jun 18, 2001 6:11 am

Patience is the number one thing. However, what I've noticed from my logs is that three more things really help.The first one, and most likely one of the better ones, is fan art. I did one for Avalon High (http://www.avalonhigh.com) and I just posted it in the forum, and from that one post it generated about 150+ visits.Secondly doing a guest strip helps too. I'm working on a couple and gonna send them to some of the bigger comics hoping I'll get a little recognition. Perhaps I'll send one to you too Stinky <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/smile.gif">Lastly, which can often be time consuming but still helps, is to participate in some message boards for other webpages and comics. I post the odd message on Avalon, and Megatokyo, and they generate some visits. Obviously no where near the amount of fan art, but if you post on message boards, some curious (and perhaps board) person will click on it and take a look.Remember too, it sometimes takes a while to get into a story that people will enjoy. I still don't expect people to really get into my comic for a while, but you know what, it's starting to happen <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/smile.gif"> woo woo!Well, that's it from me.
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Quattro · Post by **Quattro** » Mon Jun 18, 2001 6:28 am

I forgot one more thing. Consistancy in your updates. Bigger more known web comics can get away with it easier 'cause they've already established their main fan base, but for younger comics it's a good idea to keep your updates consistant. If you establish a routine, odds are so will the fans (if not right away eventually they will).Quattro------------------
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Where being a super hero is as easy as getting a drivers license

Stinkywigfiddle · Post by **Stinkywigfiddle** » Mon Jun 18, 2001 6:40 am

Yes, fan art. I like doing fan art. I've drawn several pieces of fan art for other comics. I know maelstrom32 has drawn something for me, but she hasn't been able to get it to me yet <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/frown.gif"> But I'll get it eventually.Begging seems to have helped too <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/biggrin.gif"> ------------------
Who am I?
Daniel the Willingham
What do I do?
<A HREF="http://spacelosers.keenspace.com" TARGET=_blank>the comic SPACE LOSERS!</A>
Who cares?

Reinder · Post by **Reinder** » Mon Jun 18, 2001 9:12 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by stinkywigfiddle:
I read some of White House in Orbit and I'm meaning to put a link to it on my site.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Hey, thanks. I'll give Space Losers a good look-see when I get to a faster connection than I get at home.
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Reinder Dijkhuis
<A HREF="http://www.rocr.net/" TARGET=_blank>Rogues of Clwyd-Rhan</A>, Humorous fantasy strip, updated Mon-Fri, and really rather good. <A HREF="http://www.rocr.net/d/20000701.html" TARGET=_blank>Read it from the first strip!</A><A HREF="http://whio.keenspace.com/" TARGET=_blank>White House in Orbit</A>

Reinder · Post by **Reinder** » Mon Jun 18, 2001 9:13 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by stinkywigfiddle:
I read some of White House in Orbit and I'm meaning to put a link to it on my site.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Hey, thanks. I'll give Space Losers a good look-see when I get to a faster connection than I get at home.
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Reinder Dijkhuis
<A HREF="http://www.rocr.net/" TARGET=_blank>Rogues of Clwyd-Rhan</A>, Humorous fantasy strip, updated Mon-Fri, and really rather good. <A HREF="http://www.rocr.net/d/20000701.html" TARGET=_blank>Read it from the first strip!</A><A HREF="http://whio.keenspace.com/" TARGET=_blank>White House in Orbit</A>

Stinkywigfiddle · Post by **Stinkywigfiddle** » Tue Jun 19, 2001 9:26 am

I agree with the stuff you said Damonk. I don't normally beg. I was mostly kidding around this time (though I did want people to see my comic {as everyone with a comic would}).I am most pleased with things so far.and I really like this smiley <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/biggrin.gif">And I have more fan art I'm working on for other comics. I like drawing fan art.------------------
~Daniel the Willingham~
I changed my signature again.
Read <A HREF="http://spacelosers.keenspace.com" TARGET=_blank>SPACE LOSERS.</A> If you are not fully satisfied with your reading of <A HREF="http://spacelosers.keenspace.com" TARGET=_blank>Space Losers</A> then you get your money back.

Ren@shoushi · Post by **Ren@shoushi** » Fri Jun 22, 2001 12:06 am

hey, I dig your comic, it's one of my favorites, I want to link to you. If you got that link pic yet let me know, if not can I make one? Nate is curently running an experiment where he sees how long I can hold out before he gives me my account or I go crazy, when it's over (if I'm still sane) and my site is up I'd like to trade links.btw, I been reading your comic since the last time you begged people to go read it, that was how I heard of it. So begging works, once my site is up, I'll be in here begging people to go read it too <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/wink.gif">

Somebody Strange · Post by **Somebody Strange** » Fri Jun 22, 2001 5:02 am

I've read it too. And liked it. At first, I didn't "get" it -- the drawing style made me think it was going to be gag-a-day humor, somehow. But then I saw the link for the Epic dropdown, and then it made sense.--Strange/Dave------------------
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Stinkywigfiddle · Post by **Stinkywigfiddle** » Fri Jun 22, 2001 9:33 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Ren@shoushi:
I want to link to you. If you got that link pic yet let me know, if not can I make one?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I did make a couple, but they're not very good, and not the size you asked for. You can find them on my links page when I fix it or go to them here.
<A HREF="http://spacelosers.keenspace.com/images/slbanner1.gif" TARGET=_blank>http://spacelosers.keenspace.com/images ... er1.gif</A>
<A HREF="http://spacelosers.keenspace.com/images/slbanner2.gif" TARGET=_blank>http://spacelosers.keenspace.com/images ... er2.gif</A>
Man, that first one is awful. Maybe you should make one anyway. It would probably be better than mine.I thought you were reading my comic before I begged here.
About the gag-a-day thing. I wasn't intending for each page to end with a joke, but some pages did end with something you might think was a punch-line (though not a very good one). I don't expect the humor to be laugh-out-loud funny, just maybe slightly humorous. But mostly it's just meant to be intertaining.------------------
~Daniel the Willingham~
I changed my signature again.
Read <A HREF="http://spacelosers.keenspace.com" TARGET=_blank>SPACE LOSERS.</A> If you are not fully satisfied with your reading of <A HREF="http://spacelosers.keenspace.com" TARGET=_blank>Space Losers</A> then you get your money back.[This message has been edited by stinkywigfiddle (edited 06-22-2001).]