Happy Dropdown

Reinder · Post by **Reinder** » Tue Dec 12, 2000 1:01 am

Just to add a slightly less knee-jerky follow-up to this: a better way to organise this would be to have a loose set of criteria to indicate the spirit in which the dropdown in organised, and post these somewhere where concerned parents can read them. Add the disclaimer that these things are always subjective in nature, that you can't get them 100% right for every one all the time and that the dropdown is not a substitute for parental judgement. Then: it's a fair assumption that people who make clean, kid-friendly non-offensive comics also like to read them, so the cartoonists on the dropdown should keep each other honest. A minor transgression, once in a while could be overlooked, a gross offense against the spirit of the thing, or somebody "getting it wrong" all the time would be kicked off.Then go and build that reputation as a good subgroup of Keenspace comics that you can let your kid read. We do need such a subgroup. (Not that my strip should be in it, of course <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/smile.gif">)------------------
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Gwalla · Post by **Gwalla** » Tue Dec 12, 2000 1:13 am

GleeSpace?------------------
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Nate · Post by **Nate** » Tue Dec 12, 2000 1:38 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Kan Kong:
How about a dropdown for "Family" type strips--ones that anyone could read without being twisted and warped? No nudity/sexuality, no extreme violence (note that I said "extreme"), no profanity, that sorta thing.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>To me, that's the kind of thing that would warp someone. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/smile.gif">------------------
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Todd Michaels · Post by **Todd Michaels** » Tue Dec 12, 2000 4:06 am

Actually, I almost proposed something similar a short while ago. I even got as far as typing it in, but then decided not to post it.I was trying to come up with a dropdown for people who are trying to create a comic for newspaper syndication (either actively pursuing it or building the foundation for future submissions). In spite of such a loose set of guidelines, I'm pretty sure *most* people would be able to discern whether they would have a real shot at syndication.That last sentence was what made me decide not to post it. By "a real shot", it would NOT have been a judgement of quality. I was thinking more of content. People know if they're creating something that, for some reason, would keep editors from selecting their strip for publication. Like the gratutitous and repeated use of the word "nipples". Not that anyone would ever do that, mind you.But in the end, I decided it might appear too snooty. Like people who weren't on the list weren't serious about their craft.Why am I posting this? I don't know. I guess I'm just saying there might be a real use for a grouping like this.------------------
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ZOMBIE USER 157 · Post by **ZOMBIE USER 157** » Tue Dec 12, 2000 6:20 am

i think lint is probably just over the edge enough not to qualifythe only real problem i see with clean comics is... their not as funny as dirty comics. if you can pull it off (having a clean funny comic), ie Randym Thoughts or 1999, more power to ya. but the appeal of dirty comics is that raunchy jokes are funny even if you've heard them before, they're stupid, layed out poorly, etc. so, salud! to the funny/clean comics! its more of a challenge to be funny without dirty jokes (imagine The Mr. Chuck Show without dirty jokes), those who can do it well are far more skilled than those who depend solely upon uncleanliness

Kan Kong · Post by **Kan Kong** » Tue Dec 12, 2000 8:07 am

I had an idea for a dropdown someone might wanna try (I doubt I'd qualify). How about a dropdown for "Family" type strips--ones that anyone could read without being twisted and warped? No nudity/sexuality, no extreme violence (note that I said "extreme"), no profanity, that sorta thing.It could be called "Kleenspace."------------------
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Seven3 · Post by **Seven3** » Tue Dec 12, 2000 9:52 am

I think a 'G' rated family dropdown is a very good idea even tho' I doubt I'd put <a href="http://portside.keenspace.com" title="Currently rated PG">PortSide</a> on it.As for not being as funny, that's bull. Some of the best comics I've seen are 'G' rated. Catering to the lowest common denominator might get you the most hits, but it doesn't mean you're the best. I aplogise that sounds like a rant.As for criteia, I think you'd need an independant (and objective) person(s) to set the standard, and see that it's kept.------------------
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Steve Emond · Post by **Steve Emond** » Tue Dec 12, 2000 10:14 am

I qualify for kleenspace... I'm in!
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Reinder · Post by **Reinder** » Tue Dec 12, 2000 10:27 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Kan Kong:
I had an idea for a dropdown someone might wanna try (I doubt I'd qualify). How about a dropdown for "Family" type strips--ones that anyone could read without being twisted and warped? No nudity/sexuality, no extreme violence (note that I said "extreme"), no profanity, that sorta thing.It could be called "Kleenspace."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Heh. All nudity/sexuality (lumped together just like that) are out, but violence is only out if it's extreme, and you feel compelled to emphasise the word "extreme"? I think that is warped, but well. Different strokes for different folks.The idea is good, mind you, and I don't mean to flame or anything. It's just that it will be very hard to get a good set of criteria, especially in a self-organising community like Keenspace.
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ZOMBIE USER 157 · Post by **ZOMBIE USER 157** » Wed Dec 13, 2000 2:17 am

dont get me wrong... i dont mean theyre less funny... i just think its harder for them to be funny. they can still be funny, but its more of a challenge to do.------------------
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Kan Kong · Post by **Kan Kong** » Wed Dec 13, 2000 4:52 am

Think of it this way: have you ever seen a Disney movie where the bad guy didn't die? Have you ever seen a Warner Brothers cartoon where someone didn't get shot, beaten, blown up, or trampled? When I say extreme violence, I'm talking about shoot-em-up blood-n-guts type stuff (I.E. Road Waffles, Exploitation Now, maybe even Whar's Me Brain Dude). Not cartoon violence (I.E. Schlock Mercenary or Joe the Circle).------------------
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Kan Kong · Post by **Kan Kong** » Wed Dec 13, 2000 5:08 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by jack spencer:
i think lint is probably just over the edge enough not to qualifythe only real problem i see with clean comics is... their not as funny as dirty comics. if you can pull it off (having a clean funny comic), ie Randym Thoughts or 1999, more power to ya. but the appeal of dirty comics is that raunchy jokes are funny even if you've heard them before, they're stupid, layed out poorly, etc. so, salud! to the funny/clean comics! its more of a challenge to be funny without dirty jokes (imagine The Mr. Chuck Show without dirty jokes), those who can do it well are far more skilled than those who depend solely upon uncleanliness<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>You're right. Both have their place. Personally, I prefer "clean" humor to "dirty," for almost precisely the reason you gave. That doesn't mean I won't laugh at a dirty joke--one of my favorite movies is "Monty Python's the Meaning of Life," fer cryin' out loud.The problem is that there's a lot of temptation to overcome.I guess what I'm thinking about is a whole "tone." A "family" strip is more likely to get away with something slightly risque if it does it in a lighthearted, irreverent way.

Davos Tyme · Post by **Davos Tyme** » Wed Dec 13, 2000 5:13 am

(From the Shadows emerges a darkness of pure evil incarnate... or maybe not.)
So... You're proposing a dropdown that's more of a PG than a G-Rated comic?
The G-Rated On is called the Keenspace Nipple-free Club (Ulitmate in G-Rating). Though I disagree with the title, it seems to only have only two comics on it. Any more joiners? I know that Dark Knight can easily fit this category. No nudity or s*x, no swearing, and lacking violence...
Actually, two of the charcters are technically naked, but hey, they in the gaseous form.I suppose I'm on this dropdown as well...
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Kan Kong · Post by **Kan Kong** » Wed Dec 13, 2000 6:58 am

Yeah, maybe PG would be a bit better--that way I could actually join it. Not that my strip's that offensive, mind you--just the occasional "damn" or "hell." But that'd be enough to change my rating. Plus I'm planning an episode where the punchline involves "bastard." So maybe it should be a more PG-oriented dropdown. Maybe call it, erm, hm. I dunno.Now I just need to figure out how to make the thing.------------------
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Kan Kong · Post by **Kan Kong** » Wed Dec 13, 2000 7:06 am

Plus my characters have <a href="http://kankong.keenspace.com/d/20001119 ... nipples</a>.

Damonk13 · Post by **Damonk13** » Wed Dec 13, 2000 11:21 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Kan Kong:
Plus my characters have <a href="http://kankong.keenspace.com/d/20001119 ... OTE>Why must everyone mock my nipple-less state!It's a medical condition, I tells ya!! <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/eek.gif">------------------
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Steve Tonks · Post by **Steve Tonks** » Thu Dec 14, 2000 2:48 am

My new comic will offend more people than South Park...............okay maybe not.------------------
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Michael Martin · Post by **Michael Martin** » Thu Dec 14, 2000 5:44 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by damonk13:
Why must everyone mock my nipple-less state!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>The irony, of course, is that by repeatedly pointing out that your sequence is "G"-rated, and listing -how-, it loses that rating and becomes PG, possibly even PG-13.That is why you are mocked.--Michael------------------
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Todd Michaels · Post by **Todd Michaels** » Thu Dec 14, 2000 7:30 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Michael Martin:
That is why you are mocked.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Oh, no no no no. He is mocked for many reasons.Let us start a list:1) Shortage in the nipple department
2) Canadian
3) English major
4) Sister calls him SuperGrover
5) Canadian
6) No pantswhat else?
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Kan Kong · Post by **Kan Kong** » Thu Dec 14, 2000 9:01 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Dana:
I would love to fit into a PG-rated list of comics. At <A HREF="http://hwg.keenspace.com" TARGET=_blank>Heroes with Glasses</A>, we don't do nudity or sex or profanity (other than "darn"), but there is some violence. (In comic #4, someone gets killed and eaten by a polar bear off-screen, accompanied by eating noises. Portrayal of the death of a human is considered a violence rating of 3 by that internet rating standard. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/frown.gif"> ) Even if I don't qualify to join, I'm interested in reading other comics that try to keep it clean. :^)
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Well, I took a look at your srtip, and I think the way you did it was pretty good--I've seen worse in PG-rated movies.I'll tell you guys what. I'm going home for the holidays, and over break I'll work out some criteria similar to the ones the MPAA uses. Or maybe I'll just say "don't make it any worse than an average episode of the Simpsons."[This message has been edited by Kan Kong (edited 12-14-2000).]