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LibertyCabbage · Post by **LibertyCabbage** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 8:45 am

Re: McD

yeah skippy might be racist sometimes but he's such a terrible person that i think it's pretty clear that his views are attached to him and aren't a message to the audience. a good way to explain it would be with an analogy to american history x. norton's character kills a black person in the beginning because of racist hate but the movie is not promoting racism since its message is clear that norton's actions are wrong. i can see now how some people could get offended because i don't have a message but i feel that skippy's a bad person so his actions must be presumed to be bad. i do remember now a recent strip where skippy says he hates all black people besides jules from pulp fiction and michael jordan from "space jams". is skippy being racist? yes. is the comic being racist? i don't think so. i'm bringing this up because even though it's a "shock comic" i don't want to be racist so i'm trying to understand what people think is racist. i think the haitian goths might be racism but fyi i went to high school for 4 years in an area known as "little haiti" + my school was about 1/3 haitian immigrants so i think a lot of their jokes are inside jokes that most people won't understand. although i had a poll on my site of the favourite character and the haitian goths won by a lot so i dunno.

re: blackaby

that's awesome, i had no idea you liked my comic! i'm definitely gonna keep doing it. i'm trying to make some improvements though but I'm not sure what to do yet. also i'll draw something for you tonight when i get home ^^

McDuffies · Post by **McDuffies** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 2:42 pm

Sure, LC, but the comic in whole is affectionate to Skippy. It's like it's saying: "Yes, he's awfull, but we like him for that". It's not really something that works the way you imagined, that the reader concludes that if Skippy is a bad person, his actions are bad too, it's the overal tone of the comic that defines that. By the tone of the comic, you sould define Skippy as bad, good or something third, while keeping him still the same person. In my opinion, the tone that is set in FF is the one of ambivalence, where you say that you are aware of the issues (doesn't have to be racism. We could, for instance, be talking about killing babies or blowing up schools) but you neither approve or disapprove. Readers are, I think, left without the idea of that your real opinions are, and, being that average reader doesn't know you personally and is not able to ask you yourself, the tone of the comic is very much open to interpretation. Some will see it as a call to destruction and hatred, some will actually see it as totally oposite, the satire of those and I wouldn't be surprised if the rate was 50-50.

Nicotine · Post by **Nicotine** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 2:56 pm

I've read FF, but I stopped reading it mainly because of the racism

I never found the Haitian Goths funny.

Anyway, I've read all the comics you've reviewed Team ('cept for the last one, but it sounds good so I'll read it sometime). I think your ratings were right on the mark. Good job.

LibertyCabbage · Post by **LibertyCabbage** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 5:30 pm

blackaby wrote:May people slap me about with a bat for saying it, but I think Freedom Fries is a work of freaking genius.

And I thought of a solution to the Haitian Goths...

8)

Blackaby · Post by **Blackaby** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 6:07 pm

ROFLMAO

Warren · Post by **Warren** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 6:10 pm

...

You've been at this for a while. I never realized that.

LibertyCabbage · Post by **LibertyCabbage** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 6:30 pm

Yeah 3 years or so ^_^ Kinda makes you wanna punch a paleontologist in the left abdomen doesn't it!

I know that lil' Blackaby thing is another "shock comic" that's so maligned but it's so fun to do =(

Kissingkerie1 · Post by **Kissingkerie1** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 8:58 pm

Lesson 1:

Realize that criticism is just like religion. You either believe in it or you don't.

Lesson 2:
Wait at least 3 days (minimum) before responding. Read it, react, wait, read it again, wait....taking a lot of time to muse about the good points and bad points.

Lesson 3:
Develop a thick skin.

Lesson 4:
Realize that you don't really care what anyone thinks. It's your creation and people are wrong ALL the time. How many publishers rejected the first Harry Potter book??? Lots.

Lesson 5:
There is no lesson 5.

Lesson 6:
If it's well-crafted criticism, it will point out the good and the bad. If it's not well-crafted criticism, ignore it.

Lesson 7:
Don't just react to the bad criticisms, let yourself react to the good criticism as well.

Can anyone refute the above or perhaps add more??

It IS important to learn how to do this, because there is nothing, and I mean nothing that you will do in life that someone, somewhere won't want to comment on it. Just a hazard of being human, I guess.

kk

Christwriter · Post by **Christwriter** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 9:16 pm

Before I get shot, stabbed, or otherwise mutilated for throwing in my 2cents, I haven't read Freedom Fries and I don't really plan to. Mostly because the Freedom Fries part makes me think of politics, complete with a drawing of GWB as a monkey, and ANY kind of real world politics makes my brain shut off.

That said...

Reviews are the opinion of the reviewer. In my experiance, reviewers are not out to kill a fledgling book, comic, movie, whatever. They're there to say "Why I think this is good" or "Why I think this is bad". If the reviewer thinks it's good, they're not going to change thier mind. If the reviewer thinks it's bad, they're not going to change thier mind. Screaming at them, shouting or going defensive aren't going to do anything either except make you (GENERAL you. Pointed at everybody!) feel very negative for the next few days.

Reviews can be useful if they help show that the idea inside your head is making it onto the paper more or less in one piece. I've said it before, I'll say it again ad nausiem:

YOU CANNOT JUDGE YOUR OWN WORK.

Peroid. That's it. It's over. Stop trying, it is psycologically impossible to make a non-biased judgement of your own work, on the simple basis that YOU start by knowing what it is you're trying to say. Random readers, who have no emotional investment in the work, don't start by knowing what it is you're trying to say. It's a proven fact that most writers play fill in the blanks--that is, miss the mistakes because thier brain has already put the correct information in. Readers don't do that. Readers have the cleanest slate possible when they encounter your work. Having a reviewer tell you your work has problems MIGHT just be a red flag that there is something that desperately needs fixing. It might also mean that they're that one out of a dozen that won't really like what you're saying.

Yes. You know that it's not racist. You know that it's not all the things that you protested it isn't. Readers don't know that.

CW

Princess · Post by **Princess** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 9:19 pm

What exactly are Freedom Fries?

<------not an American so I don't know these things

Dutch! · Post by **Dutch!** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 9:23 pm

If you'd care to learn from we Aussies...here's a phrase that works bloody wonders just about anywhere.

No worries.

Try it. It works.

KittyKatBlack · Post by **KittyKatBlack** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 9:27 pm

princess wrote:What exactly are Freedom Fries?

<------not an American so I don't know these things

It's a stupid political move that never caught on. Apparently since the French refused to support the US in Iraq, some dumbass decided we should change 'french fries' into 'freedom fries' in protest.

...yes, we all thought it was stupid too.

Princess · Post by **Princess** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 9:32 pm

aha! the mystery is solved

That's kind of silly, because "french" fries originated in Belgium!

(I'm hungry now)

Jackhass · Post by **Jackhass** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 11:28 pm

Always such controversy when reviews are posted...

...we should bring back that "review the person above you" thread.

Yeahduff · Post by **Yeahduff** » Wed Sep 28, 2005 11:57 pm

Be the change you wish to see in the world.

Toxic · Post by **Toxic** » Thu Sep 29, 2005 12:10 am

yeahduff wrote:Be the change you wish to see in the world.

Hey, you're recycling replies!

Yeahduff · Post by **Yeahduff** » Thu Sep 29, 2005 12:26 am

What? You think Ghandi only said that once? He probably used that one every other day when his wife nagged him about something.

Kissingkerie1 · Post by **Kissingkerie1** » Thu Sep 29, 2005 1:37 am

christwriter wrote:
YOU CANNOT JUDGE YOUR OWN WORK.

CW

With that in mind. That shouldn't stop you from reviewing work you've done from days, weeks, or even years before. Not only to see how far you've come, but also to identify the mistakes you're still making but haven't yet fixed.

I personally swing back and forth between thinking I'm brilliant to thinking I really suck. That's why I drink. But, hey, that's me. Maybe you ARE brilliant. Or maybe you should start drinking.

It does help and hurt though to have others with a more cricital eye, but don't discount your ability (after sufficient time has passed) to get a slightly more objective view of your own stuff.

kk

Warren · Post by **Warren** » Thu Sep 29, 2005 3:54 am

kissingkerie1 wrote:I personally swing back and forth between thinking I'm brilliant to thinking I really suck. That's why I drink. But, hey, that's me. Maybe you ARE brilliant. Or maybe you should start drinking.

Everyone thinks they're brilliant when they are drunk. And all women are smoking hot!

Nutcracker · Post by **Nutcracker** » Thu Sep 29, 2005 4:21 am

kissingkerie1 wrote: I personally swing back and forth between thinking I'm brilliant to thinking I really suck. That's why I drink. But, hey, that's me. Maybe you ARE brilliant. Or maybe you should start drinking.
kk

YOUAREBRILLIANTSTOPDRINKING!!!!</care>

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