Col. Tora Scobee, the $6 Million Man?

Col. Tora Scobee, the $6 Million Man?

Postby VixenFetish on Fri Oct 18, 2002 5:33 am

According to an episode of Beat the Geeks, the protagonist of The $6 Million Man was involved in a similar crash Scobee was, and was remade with bionic parts. Is he the inspiration behind the Col. Tora Scobee character?
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Re: Col. Tora Scobee, the $6 Million Man?

Postby ZOMBIE USER 6611 on Fri Oct 18, 2002 6:00 am

VixenFetish wrote:According to an episode of Beat the Geeks, the protagonist of The $6 Million Man was involved in a similar crash Scobee was, and was remade with bionic parts. Is he the inspiration behind the Col. Tora Scobee character?
Oh very yes. Colonel Scobee's circumstances bear a non-accidental (;)) resemblance to those of Colonel Steve Austin.

And that television show was based on the book "Cyborg" by Martin Caidin.

It took geeks for this, hmm? :)
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Postby Kellogg on Fri Oct 18, 2002 10:03 am

I must confess: The crash sequence I drew of Scobee's 'creation' last winter was a direct parody of the opening sequence to the old TV show.

In the show, they used real footage of the NASA M2-F2 being dropped from it's B-52 Mothership.
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The M2-F2 lifting body rolled wildly and crashed, tumbling end over end
on the ground. (Amazingly enough, the pilot lived to fly again, and
the aircraft was recovered and repaired. :o ) However, the pilot did
not go on to become the world's first bionic man. ;)

One of the problems I always had with the show was that the bionic
parts they showed him being fitted with, would, in no way allow him
to do the things he was supposed to be able to do on the show. He was
bionic from below the shoulder down on his right arm, and in both legs
from mid-thigh on down. :-?

I don't care how strong your thighs are, without a bionic pelvis, you're
not going to be able to run at 60 MPH. Without some sort of re-inforced
backbone and shoulder, you're not going to be able to pick up a car.
In such cases, all his bionics would do would be to shatter his organic
bones.

Thus, Scobee's bionic replacements go a bit farther up his thighs
(yipe!). However, he does suffer from a structural problem in that his
spinal column is still just regular bone. No lifting cars for him! :P

Colonel Scobee gets considerably less fun than Colonel Austin did.
He doesn't even get his own TV show. Though, perhaps I should
give him some cooler sound effects. :)

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Postby Nebulous Rikulau on Fri Oct 18, 2002 5:33 pm

Kellogg wrote:One of the problems I always had with the show was that the bionic
parts they showed him being fitted with, would, in no way allow him
to do the things he was supposed to be able to do on the show. He was
bionic from below the shoulder down on his right arm, and in both legs
from mid-thigh on down. :-?


The novel the series was based on (as Levelhead so nicely mentioned :) ) was somewhat more realistic in the abilities provided by the bionic parts. While Col. Austin could not run at 60mph, he could keep up a near-sprint pace for as long as he could stay conscious. ( possibly 15mph {4 minute mile} or better). He couldn't lift a car, but he could tighten the lugnuts by hand, or crush bricks. Plus nifty things like a single shot pistol in one finger, and a built in scuba tank, good for a half hour's air. 8)
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Postby Little_Dragon on Fri Oct 18, 2002 8:51 pm

I recall reading the third book in the series and being amused by the discrepancies in the television series.
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Was it the M2-F2, really?

Postby Baxtrr on Fri Oct 25, 2002 8:56 am

Kellogg wrote:I must confess: The crash sequence I drew of Scobee's 'creation' last winter was a direct parody of the opening sequence to the old TV show.

In the show, they used real footage of the NASA M2-F2 being dropped from it's B-52 Mothership.

The M2-F2 lifting body rolled wildly and crashed, tumbling end over end
on the ground. (Amazingly enough, the pilot lived to fly again, and
the aircraft was recovered and repaired. :o )


Scott, not to be a pedant (especially since my memory may be faulty at this senile old age of mine), but are you sure that ALL the footage was of the M2-F2? The crash was famous but the shots of the intact vehicle being launched are not of the same ship, I don't think.

The lifting body shown in the initial drop test, which made a guest appearance in a (surprisingly good) episode of the series, was the Northrop HL10, a much sleeker design than the M2, with or without the later-added central fin that made it more easily mistaken for the HL10.

We get to see the HL10 in all its glory in the episode where Col. Austin recreates the flight that nearly killed him, rooting out the saboteur responsible for the first crash, and clearing his own name as a test pilot.

I don't know why, but I found the last scene of that episode oddly touching; it showed Austin standing alone in the desert by the HL10, patting its fuselage as if forgiving it for what it had done to him. :cry:

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Oh, by the way, it killed him

Postby Baxtrr on Fri Oct 25, 2002 9:04 am

baxtrr wrote:bax
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Well, most of the time....

Last weekend while my eldest was in dance class I was reading some old magazines in the waiting room; there was a homebuilt aircraft mag with a picture of two VariViggens on the front cover. I read it with interest, since the VariViggen was the first kit plane I was interested in, and had been reading up on it since before the VariEze and the Quickie were invented.

The article went on at length about the two pilots' efforts to build their planes and how much they enjoyed flying them and how cool and safe and wonderful the VariViggen was despite the lack of credit it got compared to the VariEze. Then, at the end of the article, there was a parenthetical note that oh, by the way, just as they went to press they learned that one of the two men had been killed in a crash due to a "partial power failure" in his VariViggen. Oh shucky darns.

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Postby Kellogg on Fri Oct 25, 2002 10:02 am

The M2-F2:

I could be wrong, but I was under the impression that it was the M2-F2
that crashed. I don't watch much TV, but on the Discovery Wings
Channel, they pad out the hour with "Wild Ride" clips of aerobatics or
flight demonstrations and stories.

Thing is, they only have a limited number of such clips and they get
repeated often. One such clip dealt with the crash of the M2-F2 with
what looked like the same footage of the crash from the TV show.
From the description of the crash, they said that the plane was later
rebuilt and modified, and the pilot lived to fly again.

While they didn't mention the TV show, that does sound exactly like
the accounts of the crash that they took the footage from. (How many
spectacular crashes of lifting bodies can there be?)

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Postby Daniel Cougar on Fri Oct 25, 2002 11:27 am

Kellogg wrote:While they didn't mention the TV show, that does sound exactly like
the accounts of the crash that they took the footage from. (How many
spectacular crashes of lifting bodies can there be?)


To the best of my knowledge, there is just the one.
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Postby Baxtrr on Fri Oct 25, 2002 1:57 pm

Daniel Cougar wrote:
Kellogg wrote:While they didn't mention the TV show, that does sound exactly like
the accounts of the crash that they took the footage from. (How many
spectacular crashes of lifting bodies can there be?)


To the best of my knowledge, there is just the one.


There is. What I said, perhaps unclearly, that while the CRASH footage was of the M2-F2, the DROP footage was of the HL10, which we see quite clearly from above as it begins its fall. The M2-F2 had three parallel vertical fins, as seen in the photo above. The HL10 had one central fin and two finlets extending from the tapering back corners of its body. And the cockpit was mostly integrated into the fuselage, not a separate bubble on top as it was with the M2 series.

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Postby Kellogg on Fri Oct 25, 2002 4:05 pm

baxtrr wrote:There is. What I said, perhaps unclearly, that while the CRASH footage was of the M2-F2, the DROP footage was of the HL10, which we see quite clearly from above as it begins its fall. The M2-F2 had three parallel vertical fins, as seen in the photo above. The HL10 had one central fin and two finlets extending from the tapering back corners of its body. And the cockpit was mostly integrated into the fuselage, not a separate bubble on top as it was with the M2 series.


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(A quick comparison of the HL-10 and the M2-F2's sister.)

You know, it's been at least... um... 5 years since I've seen the
credits to that show. I don't think I ever spotted the switch of the
plane. But, in my minds eye, I think you're right. You only see the
lifting body for a fraction of a second before they cut to the cockpit,
but it definitely looks more like the HL10 than the M2-F2.

I'm afraid I really don't remember much about the show, honestly.
I remember thinking what a keen idea, but somehow not finding the
show interesting with the exception of a couple VERY dimly recalled
episodes.

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Postby ZOMBIE USER 6611 on Fri Oct 25, 2002 4:42 pm

Kellogg wrote:(A quick comparison of the HL-10 and the M2-F2's sister.)
It does seem that the Bird of Prey, as a nearly wingless experimental vehicle, fits in with this group:
http://www.jinsa.org/articles/articles. ... 6,164,1797

It does have wings -- sort of -- but they seem rather different from the typical winged vehicle approach.

Here's a BIG image -- I mean BIG -- watch your bandwidth:
http://www.af.mil/photos/images/021021_57.jpg
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Postby Matt Trepal on Fri Oct 25, 2002 6:49 pm

Say, that's pretty neat (speaking as an absolute non-pilot).

On the other hand, I start to worry when they name military projects after science fiction.
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Postby ZOMBIE USER 6611 on Sat Oct 26, 2002 8:06 am

Matt Trepal wrote:Say, that's pretty neat (speaking as an absolute non-pilot). On the other hand, I start to worry when they name military projects after science fiction.
It happens regularly enough, and with semi-military and government projects as well.

Offhand, there's the naming of the first Space Shuttle, "Enterprise" (sort of an inside joke at NASA since they knew this one would never go to space), the "Spaceguard" asteroid detection project named from "Rendezvous with Rama," the deep-space explorer spacecraft "New Horizons" (from Heinlein's Methuselah's Children).

There are many. Not to worry. ;)
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