Nostradamus Hoax
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by Tdev on Thu Sep 13, 2001 1:26 am
Hey Jeff,<P>How are you holding up ? My ISP was out for a couple days...<P>the origin Nostradamus quote seems to be open to interpretation. I've seen several different version of it.<P>tdev
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by Mel1979 on Thu Sep 13, 2001 2:30 am
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Greco:
<B>Broken link...<P>But hey, this is all according to Ricardo. Who knows.<P>-Jeff<P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Not broken, simply busy. Very busy. Let me post the pertinent info:<P>The French physician and astrologer Nostradamus (1503-1566) penned numerous quatrains populated by obscure imagery that the credulous have ever after attempted to fit to the events of their times. These predictions can often ring somewhat true in that the images employed are so general they can be found in almost every event of import, but by the same token, the prophecies are never a dead-on fit because the wordings are far too general. Not that this stops anyone from believing in them; our society's need for mysticism runs far too deep to ever allow for that. <P>Those looking for the certainty of a Nostradamus prophecy come true have been known to sledge hammer the results to force a fit by inventing fanciful translations from the original French, bend over backwards to assert one named term is really another, and (as in this case) outright fabricate part or all of the prediction. <P>Nostradamus did not write the quatrain now being attributed to him. (One wonders how a guy who died in 1566 could have written an item identified as being penned in 1654 anyway.) It originated with a student at Brock University in Canada in the 1990s, appearing on a web page essay on Nostradamus. That particular quatrain was offered by the page's author, Neil Marshall, as a fabricated example to illustrate how easily an important-sounding prophecy can be crafted through the use of abstract imagery. He pointed out how the terms he used were so deliberately vague they could be interpreted to fit any number of cataclysmic events.<P>It appears someone mistook Marshall's illustrative example for an actual Nostradamus prophecy and, not content to let well enough alone, added "The third big war will begin when the big city is burning." A fabrication was thus further fabricated. <P>But that wasn't the end of it. More fakery was piled on in later versions that now included all of the text quoted in the Example section above but now concluded with: <P>On the 11th day of the 9 month, two metal birds will crash into two tall statues in the new city, and the world will end soon after.
<B>Broken link...<P>But hey, this is all according to Ricardo. Who knows.<P>-Jeff<P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Not broken, simply busy. Very busy. Let me post the pertinent info:<P>The French physician and astrologer Nostradamus (1503-1566) penned numerous quatrains populated by obscure imagery that the credulous have ever after attempted to fit to the events of their times. These predictions can often ring somewhat true in that the images employed are so general they can be found in almost every event of import, but by the same token, the prophecies are never a dead-on fit because the wordings are far too general. Not that this stops anyone from believing in them; our society's need for mysticism runs far too deep to ever allow for that. <P>Those looking for the certainty of a Nostradamus prophecy come true have been known to sledge hammer the results to force a fit by inventing fanciful translations from the original French, bend over backwards to assert one named term is really another, and (as in this case) outright fabricate part or all of the prediction. <P>Nostradamus did not write the quatrain now being attributed to him. (One wonders how a guy who died in 1566 could have written an item identified as being penned in 1654 anyway.) It originated with a student at Brock University in Canada in the 1990s, appearing on a web page essay on Nostradamus. That particular quatrain was offered by the page's author, Neil Marshall, as a fabricated example to illustrate how easily an important-sounding prophecy can be crafted through the use of abstract imagery. He pointed out how the terms he used were so deliberately vague they could be interpreted to fit any number of cataclysmic events.<P>It appears someone mistook Marshall's illustrative example for an actual Nostradamus prophecy and, not content to let well enough alone, added "The third big war will begin when the big city is burning." A fabrication was thus further fabricated. <P>But that wasn't the end of it. More fakery was piled on in later versions that now included all of the text quoted in the Example section above but now concluded with: <P>On the 11th day of the 9 month, two metal birds will crash into two tall statues in the new city, and the world will end soon after.
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by Mel1979 on Thu Sep 13, 2001 4:58 am
The "Nostradamus Prophecy" located on the front page of <A HREF="http://victims.keenspace.com/" TARGET=_blank>http://victims.keenspace.com/</A> , is a hoax. Please see <A HREF="http://www.snopes2.com/inboxer/hoaxes/predict.htm" TARGET=_blank>http://www.snopes2.com/inboxer/hoaxes/predict.htm</A> , and don't believe everything you read until you find out the facts.
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by Greco on Thu Sep 13, 2001 8:20 am
Broken link...<P>But hey, this is all according to Ricardo. Who knows.<P>-Jeff<P>------------------
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by Greco on Thu Sep 13, 2001 9:41 am
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Thanks very much for taking the time to bring this to our attention. The quote will be gone with the next update.<P>-Jeff<P>------------------
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Thanks very much for taking the time to bring this to our attention. The quote will be gone with the next update.<P>-Jeff<P>------------------
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by Mel1979 on Fri Sep 14, 2001 2:19 am
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Greco:
<B>Mel-
Thanks very much for taking the time to bring this to our attention. The quote will be gone with the next update.<P>-Jeff<P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I hope no one thought I was attacking them.. just trying to educate those who may not know better. I'd hate for someone to be in fear simply because they believed a hoax. Sorry if anyone took that the wrong way.
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Thanks very much for taking the time to bring this to our attention. The quote will be gone with the next update.<P>-Jeff<P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I hope no one thought I was attacking them.. just trying to educate those who may not know better. I'd hate for someone to be in fear simply because they believed a hoax. Sorry if anyone took that the wrong way.
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