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Komiyan wrote:
Sortelli wrote:okay on the thread topic, I am absolutely thrilled with how using a tablet lets me make badly needed edits to pages as I am working on them:
http://sortelli.deviantart.com/art/Page ... -379714929

paper is deeeeaaaaad to meeeeee
Same, I switched to full digital after getting one of these babies and I haven't looked back since. For speed, it just makes all the difference.
*DROOL* I wish I could justify getting a cintiq, it's just not practical for me right now...but I want one...I want one so bad I can feel it in my lady parts. So you got the Yiynova (she says like she's totally heard about it before just now :shifty: )? How do you like it?
Sortelli wrote:I struggled with a tablet for years. I mean, I owned one since before Elf Only Inn and just could. not. use. it. Even after starting No Scrying I was only using it purely to do shading. But then I finally had a breakthrough after redrawing a couple of panels on the fly and realized that I really could produce something decent looking start to finish.
It takes a little getting used to, I still start a rough sketch on paper, but there's no contest when it comes to editing panels. The freedom to resize, tweek angles, manipulate perspective...tablets really make up for whatever you pay for them. I've had my Intuos3 for about 7 years now, and it's never let me down.
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Last night I thumbnailed a few pages. It's not quite fitting the way I expected it to do while I was writing out the script, so the chapter will wind up being a little longer than I had counted but I was expecting that to happen.

I have some ads/banners/links/whatever that I started putting together, but I don't feel like working on them :( I don't want to do them or aaannyyyytthiiiiing, I just want to shit around on the internet. And all of the forums I waste time on on the internet are moving really slowly lately, I guess because it's northern hemisphere summer and everyone's out being a person :shifty:

Also since this chapter takes place at a lake, I really wish I could go back to upstate NY where we took a week vacation two consecutive summers a bunch of years ago. Just for the reference and immersion factor. I think it'd be cool to work on the comic while actually being able to look out and see the actual scenery I'm trying to convey.... I've found a lot of reference photos online but it's not the same. I must smell the pine needles to adequately depict them. I miss it up there. I'm a little jealous of my fake fictional non-existent made-up characters for going there without me.
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djracodex wrote:I've had my Intuos3 for about 7 years now, and it's never let me down.
I currently have a little Intuos4, I used to have a big honking giant wacom tablet but it was so hard to handle that I hated using it and ended up giving it away even though it was hells of dollars.
VeryCuddlyCornpone wrote:I must smell the pine needles to adequately depict them.
the world outside my window is a hot skillet on which various foods and peoples can be grilled what are pine needles :<

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Sortelli wrote:
VeryCuddlyCornpone wrote:I must smell the pine needles to adequately depict them.
the world outside my window is a hot skillet on which various foods and peoples can be grilled what are pine needles :<
do u live in arizogni
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Does the guy who does the reviews at "Your Webcomics" ever write a review that isn't mostly positive? I'm reading through some of the reviews now, and it seems like either he only reviews comics he likes, or is afraid to write a review that doesn't end with him saying it's still a good read and worth a shot. Kind of like he takes the "compliment sandwich" a little too literally.
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VeryCuddlyCornpone wrote:
Sortelli wrote:
VeryCuddlyCornpone wrote:I must smell the pine needles to adequately depict them.
the world outside my window is a hot skillet on which various foods and peoples can be grilled what are pine needles :<
do u live in arizogni
If that was a guess you are a good guesser :3

Lots of comic review sites seem to have that going on, I think. I remember either I would get a glowing five of five from friends (which I always felt was undeserved) or just nothing from a review site... or sometimes a mention in someone else's review when I was used as a comparison

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Sortelli wrote: If that was a guess you are a good guesser :3

Lots of comic review sites seem to have that going on, I think. I remember either I would get a glowing five of five from friends (which I always felt was undeserved) or just nothing from a review site... or sometimes a mention in someone else's review when I was used as a comparison
I think I might have known for some reason but I'm not sure where I would have figured it out from, since it's not listed in your location here. Maybe I'm a mine dreeder

I'm trying to find some good review sites. It's weird becauseyou type in "webcomic review" in google and there's not many that show up unless you dig for ages of pages, and then you really only find ones that everyone already knows about or ones that haven't updated since Your Comic Is Bad And You Should Feel Bad was still available to read. You have to start by looking at actual sites like LC's site and then look at their affiliates/links and kind of swing from vine to vine like that to find others.

I've found a few "okay" tumblr review blogs, but they tend to either have a limited scope or do shorter form reviews. I'm spoiled by the type of reviews that get done around these parts, where the reviewer provides a comprehensive look on art, site, story, characters, etc, instead of just saying "I read This Comic. It was very good. Here are the reasons why the comic was good. The comic was good because-"

Like some reviewers try so hard to make sure that their reviews end up being positive, they focus too hard on pointing out the positives of the comic instead of looking at it as a cohesive unit with positives and negatives.

Hmmm, "Your Reviews Are Bad And You Should Feel Bad"
think there's any money for me to make in it?
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I foolishly broadcast my location all the time, so it's likely that it came up before!

A review of review sites would be so meta my heart would explode. I tend not to trust review sites in general, as much as I desperately crave reviews. Often it feels to me like someone's trying to be a part of the comic community without, y'know, doing comics. I still remember one argument I got into with a dude on these very forums which caused him to publicly swear that I only hated him because he never bothered to review EOI even though I had no idea nor care that he did reviews in the first place. :D

Don't you know who I aaaaam? I am a very famous webcomic reviewer!

*** (For the record LC, I think you guys are doing a great job over at the Webcomic Police both in terms of reviews and introducing me to comics I've never heard of before, so props)

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Seriously, LC does the most thorough and professional quality reviews I've seen, and I'm not just saying that because he's my brother. I'm saying it because he's my sister, too.

Playfulness aside, my first real exposure at all to webcomic reviews was here reading the old W.A.Y. threads and the occasional specific review in TT&T back when there was a bit more of a crowd. The reviews I've seen on these forums always seem well thought out, fair, and interesting. It seems like people who've made comics *in general* tend to treat reviews more carefully than people who haven't, and my guess is because people who've made webcomics have just slightly a better insight into what makes comics work than someone who is an admirer of the craft but hasn't partaken.

The saying goes "I don't need to be a professional chef to say when the steak is burnt," and of course I agree with that, and that's why non-creator reviews are still useful. But to murder the metaphor, the professional chef might be able to cite other examples of properly cooked steaks, or other means of cooking them so the steak doesn't get so burnt, or even to speculate what went wrong during the cooking process to lead to the burnt steak. I really appreciate when reviewers of this medium are able to go into the "whys" and not just the "whats," if that makes any sense.

The best non-creating reviewer I can think of offhand is El Santo of Webcomic Overlook, and I still find LC's reviews more thought provoking. I like El Santo's fairness, cleverness, and genuine interest in the craft, the complaint I have being that I feel like sometimes when he's not ripping into something he thinks is poor quality or could use improvement, he kind of just summarizes without analyzing why something DOES work well. LC (and a lot of the reviewers here, to be fair) are good at pointing out not only what is working, but *why* it's working. Then again, El Santo writes primarily for potential readers, and around here the reviews are written for potential readers AS WELL AS the creator of the specific comic AND other passersby creators interested in seeing if there's any tips they can apply to their own work.

Basically, DOMA has been repealed, and I am so gay for all of you. Lord christ I need to stop drinking so much wine.



Sortelli wrote:I still remember one argument I got into with a dude on these very forums which caused him to publicly swear that I only hated him because he never bothered to review EOI even though I had no idea nor care that he did reviews in the first place. :D
This is fucking hilarious though and I don't feel like working on my own comic so I'm probs gonna go hunting around for this nugget of ancient forum drama
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all I remember is his name was William G and we were arguing over modern art ... I think he left shortly afterward so you might find it by looking up his last posts?

yeah great I'm really going to cover myself in glory pointing out my ancient internet arguments here try to respect me in the morning :<

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Well I didn't find that but I did find this gem!

Summary:
-Creator (of comic that OH SO IRONICALLY has been removed since) gets flamed -like a virgin- -flamed for the very first time- and starts a thread about it
-Posters come along all "aw man that suuucks"
-Sortelli comes along "Wait but it wasn't just a flame it was a torch of enlightenment"
-Creator gets mad and claims not to care what people think
-Some people go "Wait a minute now you're being dumb"
-Merc closes the thread

Sortelli, you're a superhero. At least you're shaped like one. And I miss Merc :(
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Oh man I remember that thread.

I even seriously considered and tried laying out a comic that did what he claimed to be doing, featuring a heroine gladiator who gets stomped down into the mud and then heroically claws her way out of it, a story that focused on her hard won victories and not her humiliations. And then I realized what a terrible idea that was.

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Sortelli wrote:Oh man I remember that thread.

I even seriously considered and tried laying out a comic that did what he claimed to be doing, featuring a heroine gladiator who gets stomped down into the mud and then heroically claws her way out of it, a story that focused on her hard won victories and not her humiliations. And then I realized what a terrible idea that was.
I haven't seen the comic in question, obviously, but it's funny to me how many times people (usually straight men) trying to write from a "feminist perspective" think that means "I'm showing the woman in most of the panels."

For more reminiscent good times before I was born, there's this thread where you and William G have words, though I don't think it's the incident you mentioned. The drama begins at about page 6. He gets angry on the itnernet. :(


edit: W o w. I just found another thread where William G makes me embarassed as a traditional artist.

I want to say it now, lest someone be wondering it. I have nothign but the utmost admiration for artists who do most of their work digitally. I admire them the same way I admire other people who make beautiful things using tools I haven't mastered. Wow, goddamn. The main reason I don't work digitally is because I spend too much time on the computer staring at a screen in my life and I need to keep my art separate from that. Does it slow me down? Absolutely. Am I even an excellent example paragon of traditional not? Hell fucking no I'm crap! Is it more expensive in the long run? It sure is! But art for me is a meditative thing above all else, and I can't really get into that mode if I'm in "screen time."

I'm no traditional art snob. I employ some rudimentary digital techniques in my own art because that's the nature of shoving your shit onto the web. I don't look down on digital artists because it's the 21st century and that's the way things get done these days. At the end of the day we're all just making pictures and using the tools we feel comfortable with to do so.
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Don't let him poison ya, now I feel extra bad for suggesting you go digital. It's hard to read those old threads looking for old fights, I just keep seeing friends I miss.

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Sortelli wrote:Don't let him poison ya, now I feel extra bad for suggesting you go digital. It's hard to read those old threads looking for old fights, I just keep seeing friends I miss.
Oh gosh no need to apologize for that! It's a reasonable thing to suggest to people. Especially looking back at some of my older pages, i was really having a hard time mashing the two together, you know? if I saw somebody producing the kind of art I produce, especially in the earlier chatpers, I'd probalby say the same thing :) For most people it's a perfectly sensible suggestion, I'm just kind of a weirdo lol. You weren't like needlessly mean* or anything about it anyway.

(main reason I wrote what I wrote in my last post is because he was acting like digital art a. wasn't art and b. was easy. How the fuck do you defend modern art and then go and say shit like paoirupaeijrpakjser pwakjerpkjwa I don't even know where to BIGIN)

*you weren't mean at all, but sometimes people say things in a helpful mean way and sometimes in an excessive and nonhelpful mean way youknowwumsayyyin?

And I feel ya :/ I only started peeking around here in late 2008, and I did a good bit of lurking and archive-chomping during that time because i had nothign better to do, so I recognize more names than I was actually around to know personally. I know most of them are probably doing great and accomplishy things with their lives now, real life people human things, but I kinda... I dunno, I kinda wish they'd stop by just to tell us how they're doin.

Which reminds me i need to write a ltter to my fourth grade teacher. I found something she had mailed me a long time ago, in a distant pre-9/11 world. Does she still live at that address?! Does she still live?!? TUNE IN NEXT WEEK
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We must have just missed each other, 2008 was around the time I hiatused to death for the final time. I think I came back in after that a few times until my old boss caught me online from work. >_>

anyway I seriously gotta get this page done in the next hour so mwah~ see you tomorrow

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Sortelli wrote:We must have just missed each other, 2008 was around the time I hiatused to death for the final time. I think I came back in after that a few times until my old boss caught me online from work. >_>

anyway I seriously gotta get this page done in the next hour so mwah~ see you tomorrow
Yeah, you were always one of those mysterious legend types :P

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VeryCuddlyCornpone wrote:Well I didn't find that but I did find this gem!
Yeeessssssss! That was pretty saucy! Nice archive mining, I wish I had the patience for it, I bet there are a lot of good snippits from back in the day.
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My past is a colorful stew of awkwardness and misery.

I'm laying out next week's pages and I'm getting misty-eyed over the contents which... either means I am doing a very good job or I have no idea how ham handed this story is. :X

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Speaking of reviews, El Santo actually reviewed the first run of ToP and boy did he rip it apart. I'd be lying if I said it didn't hurt. In fact it felt like he punched me in the gut, repeatedly. Watching people tear into something you put your heart and soul into is never an easy thing. :( I guess his review is one of the biggest reasons I decided to do a reboot, and I hope I'm doing it better this time.

What really confused me was that he called my style a "manga house style that’s indistinguishable from other wannabe manga artists." I dunno, coming from an Asian country manga style is the norm, and of all my collegemates my style was the least manga-looking. I guess the digitally handpainted style of the reboot is a bit of a kneejerk reaction to his comment. :P

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