Inner-Prized

Tom the Fanboy · Post by **Tom the Fanboy** » Wed Jan 23, 2002 9:29 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by FanboyTemplate:
 Well, I know I can only speak for the parts of fandom that I'm a member of, but for the most part, fandom sticks together. Now, there are documented civil war debacles within certain cultures (Those who love or hate the title "Attack of the Clones"), but if it came down to the total banning or ruination of any certain sect, I like to believe that the Star Warz crowd would lend a helping hand to the Teccies.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>While I think theat most Warz fans would come to the side of Teccies, I think that the Teccies would be much more split in aiding the Warzians (as it was put by Parroty Entertainment). The thing that frightens me about one single group of Fans becoming dominant is the possibilities out there. I mean, it may not be too hard to imagine comic book fans ruling *cough-Comics World-cough*, but lets think about some the others.Anime fans (would Sailor fukus become required in American schools?)
Teccies (what would happen to the economy if all the Ferengi costumers were killed off?)
Warz Fans (even after they won there'd be all sorts of fights breaking out between Imperials and non, not to mention the mingling of church and state....)
Fanficcers (not to harsh but imagine going to the shelf and not knowing what book was by the real creator? And the crossover, copyrighting laws?)
Filkers (24 hour, ALL FILK RADIO. There wouln't be enough original music to base lyrics around.........)...and of course, Furries.------------------
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KingLeon · Post by **KingLeon** » Wed Jan 23, 2002 11:33 am

Aw... c'mon. All Anime fans aren't all fans of the school uniform thing... Some of them are too young.
Anime is too diverse. You'd have wars between people who like Pokemon and people who think liking Dragonball Z is being more adult... People who like the scifi stuff, people who like the fantasy stuff... People who like the stuff that doesn't really have any unrealistic stuff...

RebLaw · Post by **RebLaw** » Thu Jan 24, 2002 1:59 am

I like how the Vulcan's breasts were drawn

they look horrible on the actress... it looks like she's a supermodel who's trying to be a quiet angry character... it just looks wrong... Vulcans should look like elves in dnd.. FLAT CHESTED imho...RebLaw

KingLeon · Post by **KingLeon** » Thu Jan 24, 2002 5:12 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by James_Rayner:
And finally, the most ph33rsome of them all..
The Tolkienites/Pottermaniacs/Dragonriders/etc. (Anything from Sci-fi or Fantasy Books)
*g*<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yes, but we Pratchett-fans and the Adams-fans (God rest the great man's soul!) would all make jokes and be kicked out for roudiness... And I don't want to SEE the forces of the dreaded Lovecraft-fans...

KingLeon · Post by **KingLeon** » Thu Jan 24, 2002 7:11 am

I wonder if Will mentioning Shanna was incidental?

Jarnor23 · Post by **Jarnor23** » Thu Jan 24, 2002 8:48 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Tom the Fanboy:
Anyway, I really like the different takes on the starships. It reminded me of the Starship Applepies. I think that was the one on Muppet Babies. It might have been Boobieprize though.....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Actually, Starship Applepies is from VeggieTales. I'm not sure what the parody Enterprise was on Muppet Babies, but I think Boobieprize sounds right...Jarnor23

James_Rayner · Post by **James_Rayner** » Thu Jan 24, 2002 9:08 am

I would think there would be five sides to the war.The Teccies/WarziesThe Otakus/CartoonersThe FanficcersThe ComicersAnd finally, the most ph33rsome of them all..The Tolkienites/Pottermaniacs/Dragonriders/etc. (Anything from Sci-fi or Fantasy Books)each of them, declaring themselves the only True fans, and with Thackerab at the middle of the Web, with small deft pushes here and there..Just enough to incite the anger, then he sits back, and watches all smiles as the various sects of Fandom Destroy one another, leaving He, and He alone To be the One true fan, King of all fandom.One Fan to rule them all.*g*

Catz Bartlett · Post by **Catz Bartlett** » Thu Jan 24, 2002 9:26 am

A few quick things to say and then I'm out for the night...First of all, I agree completely with RebLaw - I mean, it just doesn't seem RIGHT for Vulcans to be 'stacked'! Don't ask me why, though...Second, Fandom isn't really that delineated; for one thing, a lot of people I know fit into several of those categories and probably couldn't choose between 'em if they tried. For another, they overlap! Star Trek has had crossovers - both comic book and full novel - with X-men, something squarely in the "comic" section of fandom; most things involving anime will, of necessity, involve manga - which brings comics into it; and, as for furries, there are WAY too many examples of furry-ism in the other genres to count. Merle in Escaflowne is furry (sort of), not to mention the Saiyans (tails, remember!); Star Wars - of course, Wookies, Ewoks, Boussh, and there's a feline race that never made it into the movies but which is mentioned in several of the books; Star Trek doesn't have too much furry-ism, but the potential is there - it's mostly a matter of time; comics - Ozy and Millie, Garfield, and WAY too many others to mention.There's a Star Wars manga out there, etc etc; I'd just bore everyone by mentioning every instance of crossover I know of, plus I'm out of time, so suffice it to say that the different genres of fandom are really much more connected than they look...------------------
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Strangeone · Post by **Strangeone** » Thu Jan 24, 2002 9:57 am

The idea that anyone can hate a show because of its lyrics is just stupid. Anyway, I thought that the orchestral themes got stale with Voyager, along with every other part of Star Trek. So far, I'm liking Enterprise.P.S.: If you don't like the theme, just mute the intro. Don't go whining to Paramount about it. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/rolleyes.gif">

Maccabee · Post by **Maccabee** » Fri Jan 25, 2002 8:19 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Catz Bartlett:
A few quick things to say and then I'm out for the night...First of all, I agree completely with RebLaw - I mean, it just doesn't seem RIGHT for Vulcans to be 'stacked'! Don't ask me why, though...*snip*Star Trek doesn't have too much furry-ism, but the potential is there - it's mostly a matter of time;
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Why shouldn't Vulcans be stacked? I was more bothered by Tuvok's hair. They should have put a Moe Howard whig on the guy. The genetic traits for hair texture and skin tone aren't linked, and Trek's assumption that you'll get the same combination with humanoid aliens over and over is symptomatic of an unfortunately typical lack of imagination on their part. By the same token I'd like to see aliens with purple skins, asiatic features, and great big afros -- if you're gonna stick to humanoids, have fun with it, at least.As for furryism in Star Trek, it happened. The Kzin (a felinoid biped species) were the bad guys in a lot of the 1970s animated episodes, and there was the triple-breasted catwoman who beat the crap out of Captain Jimmie in Star Trek V...Maccabee, who used to take this all so very seriously

Catz Bartlett · Post by **Catz Bartlett** » Fri Jan 25, 2002 9:50 am

Ah...well, I haven't really seen all that much of TOS...most of my experience was from the holiday marathons, which explains why I missed the episodes with the feline aliens...And, believe it or not, I have not been able to find ANYTHING about Star Trek V...not the music, not a review, not anything. I've seen III, IV, VI, Generations, and First Contact, and I've read synopses of the first two movies, but I can't find V...[edit]
I just re-read your post...you're sure that they were named the Kzin? I ask because the major alien species in Larry Niven's Known Space series is a bipedal feline species called the Kzin as well...and he has nothing to do, as far as I know, with Star Trek.
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FlyingFish · Post by **FlyingFish** » Sat Jan 26, 2002 1:02 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Catz Bartlett:
And, believe it or not, I have not been able to find ANYTHING about Star Trek V...not the music, not a review, not anything. I've seen III, IV, VI, Generations, and First Contact, and I've read synopses of the first two movies, but I can't find V...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>"THERE WAS NO FIFTH MOVIE." <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/biggrin.gif">As for the furries, none that I can think of (though the Gorn were distinctly lizard-like). I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that fur might be a bit of a pain for the makeup department. (Then again, that didn't stop George Lucas with Chewbacca.)

Judy · Post by **Judy** » Sat Jan 26, 2002 4:02 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by SteveB:
Even/Odd Star Trek movies:Generations was the last Kirk and first Picard movie, and appeared in theaters without a number in its title. I believe it broke the jinx -- anyway, I liked it, and I haven't heard all that much bad about it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Really? I thought the only redeeming feature of Generations was the scene where the Enterprise crash-landed. Which, despite its intrinsic coolness, I had to regret, as it firmly established the new starship (at least) every other movie trend.Somewhat OT: In "First Contact", there was no mention of having offloaded the civilians anywhere, right? So there were still children on board? How utterly chilling would it have been to see little kid Borg wandering around?Judy

Tom the Fanboy · Post by **Tom the Fanboy** » Sat Jan 26, 2002 4:05 am

Ahhhh, the old Even-Odd theory.It's been a long held theory of me and many people I've discussed this with that the EVEN numbered Star Trek Movies are good and the ODD numbered Star Trek Movies leave much to be desired. This stems mostly from the enjoyability of IV and VI by me and my pals and the approval of First Contact on it's release. However V, Generations, and Insurrection were never apreciated much. We are eagerly awaiting the next movie though, should it be made......Oh, and we count the "Motion Picture" as exempt because love it or hate it it's the FIRST movie so they were just starting things.------------------
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Khavren · Post by **Khavren** » Sat Jan 26, 2002 7:41 am

Fandom wars would break down by either genre or medium, for example, science fiction vs fantasy vs mystery or movie vs tv vs books vs comic books vs comic stripsAnd while there are of course alot of fans who would overlap, wars are not created or promoted by the majority, they are a pushed by the minority extremists who manage to force a challange and the creation of a fence.

FlyingFish · Post by **FlyingFish** » Sat Jan 26, 2002 8:24 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by SteveB:
I just can't get over having a cook on the Enterprise, for one thing, when it's already been established that they have replicators -- and if the cook were a throwaway character in a scene or two I wouldn't mind, or if they used any of several explanations I can think of to explain his presence. Instead, this key figure, without whom the whole mystery plot falls apart, is simply trotted out with no explanation, as if the writer assumed of course a starship would have a cook. Grrrr. There are a few others, but that's the biggie.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>They have replicators in TNG, I know, but had they been invented (or perfected, anyway) by the period of the first six movies? I don't recall ever seeing one dispense anything but drinks in TOS...

Catz Bartlett · Post by **Catz Bartlett** » Sat Jan 26, 2002 9:29 am

The reason why there were no kid-Borg in First Contact is because, according to either the Generations or First Contact novelization - I forget which - there ARE no kids on the Enterprise-E. It's more of a functional ship than a spacefaring city, like the Enterprise-D (the Galaxy-class) was...------------------
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SteveB · Post by **SteveB** » Sat Jan 26, 2002 12:50 pm

Even/Odd Star Trek movies:Yes, the first one DOES count. It was awful. Even after a decade of withdrawal and seeing some of the reruns half a dozen times are more, it was still nearly intolerable.The second one doesn't seem like much in retrospect, but it was MUCH better than the first one, and was basically as good as a two hour episode of the original series."Search for Spock" is the only odd numbered one that's any good at all, at least with the original cast (I don't know if the odd number curse still holds, since they're not numbering them anymore). It's weaker than II and IV, but much, much better than I and V.I actually know a few people who hate IV, think it's too "cutesy," but IMHO it's the best thing ever made featuring Shatner, Nimoy and the rest of the originals.As the guy said, there was no fifth movie. A friend who's much more of a Trekker than I told me this is the official word from Rick Berman, and I seem to recall it originally came from Roddenberry, though I may be wrong about that. The events in that movie, according to this friend, did not happen in the Star Trek universe. Period.There are a few gaping plot holes in Star Trek VI that make IV my favorite, even though in many ways VI is a better movie. I just can't get over having a cook on the Enterprise, for one thing, when it's already been established that they have replicators -- and if the cook were a throwaway character in a scene or two I wouldn't mind, or if they used any of several explanations I can think of to explain his presence. Instead, this key figure, without whom the whole mystery plot falls apart, is simply trotted out with no explanation, as if the writer assumed of course a starship would have a cook. Grrrr. There are a few others, but that's the biggie.Generations was the last Kirk and first Picard movie, and appeared in theaters without a number in its title. I believe it broke the jinx -- anyway, I liked it, and I haven't heard all that much bad about it. Insurrection may have revived it, though -- I've heard few good things about that movie, and for some reason never got around to seeing it myself. I think I've gotten tired of Star Trek, frankly, but that's my problem not theirs.

Keith · Post by **Keith** » Sun Jan 27, 2002 3:04 am

So they can get into dangerous situations from which they must be rescued/unravel the plot/form an 'interesting' soap-opera sub-plot, of course!------------------
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Jarnor23 · Post by **Jarnor23** » Sun Jan 27, 2002 11:47 am

Actually, it was so the crew could actually know their children and see them grow instead of leaving them behind with some surrogate parent or expecting mommy to raise the kids while daddy ran around the galaxy. An interesting note to this was that another alien culture in one episode heard about this, and thought it was absolutely revolting that they'd put their kids in danger. I'd wager they wanted to bring up this kind of debate, which is another reason I think Trek actually is a pretty decent show.BTW, I don't give a fart if anyone's second-cousin's dog's best friend's roommate heard from someone who knows Bergman's hairdresser that he said that. Even if he did, he hardly carries any weight in my book. And even if Roddenberry himself said this, he's the idiot who made the mistake and allowed it to be called ST V. You can admit a mistake, but the fact remains that there was a movie between IV and VI.Oh, and IMHO, Insurrection was twice the movie First Contact was. Actual moral dilema about obeying orders versus doing what you know is right in that movie. What'd FC have? "Let's blow 'em borg up with guns!" Yeehaw!Jarnor23