Alschroeder wrote:I dunno...I like the blonde girl's point. Why should LB be penalized for what he MIGHT do?
I think making a thug who was enslaving people think he MIGHT be dropped, in order to give up his boss' name, is acceptable. The only physical discomfort he endured was the blood rushing to his head. To my mind that makes it a little more acceptable than say, waterboarding, where you think you're drowning.---Al
Welllll....and now you know why I have Mindmistress obey her own morality, and not a man-made one...but sooner or later, even the most law-abiding hero needs to ask themselves---do they obey the letter of the law, or the spirit? The early Superman (whom I have a great admiration for) did MUCH worse things than this, but he made sure justice, not the law, which was often corrupt-- was obeyed.
Sun tzu wrote:Now, to be clear: I don't mind when Superman, Batman, or Spider-Man go out and fight crime in the same manner as Lightbringer. Sure, in the real world such vigilatism would raise a million legal and ethical questions, and would be a pretty bad idea all around...But within those comics, "superheroes are a good thing" is part of the premise. And if I can accept that Bruce Wayne can maintain his secret identity, then I can accept that premise, too. My issue with these recent events in Lightbringer is that they called that premise in question, and gave no satisfying answer (to me, at least). So I'm no longer certain if I'm supposed to accept Lightbringer as the unquestioned good guy, or actually listen to that part of my brain that tells me superheroes are not, logically, a good thing.
Linkara wrote:Sun tzu wrote:Now, to be clear: I don't mind when Superman, Batman, or Spider-Man go out and fight crime in the same manner as Lightbringer. Sure, in the real world such vigilatism would raise a million legal and ethical questions, and would be a pretty bad idea all around...But within those comics, "superheroes are a good thing" is part of the premise. And if I can accept that Bruce Wayne can maintain his secret identity, then I can accept that premise, too. My issue with these recent events in Lightbringer is that they called that premise in question, and gave no satisfying answer (to me, at least). So I'm no longer certain if I'm supposed to accept Lightbringer as the unquestioned good guy, or actually listen to that part of my brain that tells me superheroes are not, logically, a good thing.
Yes, it's almost as if I'm keeping the actual morality of what he's doing up to question for readers to figure out while advancing the story in a way that makes sense given the characters. ^_~
Sun tzu wrote:Oh, don't get me wrong; that's a perfectly valid (some would say superior) storytelling approach.
It's just that when I read Lightbringer, I'm usually expecting a soapbox.
Alschroeder wrote:Sun tzu wrote:Oh, don't get me wrong; that's a perfectly valid (some would say superior) storytelling approach.
It's just that when I read Lightbringer, I'm usually expecting a soapbox.
He fooled us; this time it's the blonde lady with glasses who was on the soapbox. *Grin*
---Al
Celey wrote:Not only that... but I would argue... can we really care about what she says? Should Lightbringer care about what she says? I mean... Haven't seen all that much interaction between the two of them... They don't really seem all that close...
Michelle rather lacks in personality... so, it's really difficult to get a feel for her character...
Alschroeder wrote:There's nothing keeping them from arresting LB for what he did to the Slavers, including dangling that one guy. But they're not trying to arrest him for that.
They're not justifying it like that.
They're saying, if you have special powers, we won't tolerate you using them to help others, no matter what good you've done in the process. That it's not allowed.
Both are excellent points, and persuasive ones.
Sun, you've got excellent points of reference for LB's past actions you find questionable. But he's not been outlawed for that. He's been outlawed for what he MIGHT do in the future.
That's---ethically a whole other realm.---Al
I still think she had two excellent points:
Will you let them jail you for what you MIGHT do?
And
Will you let them tell you you CAN'T help people?
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