niko2pico wrote:Dreamaniaccomic wrote:After talking to Niko at school today, I feel I should clarify my moral philosophy.
1st Law: Nothing is absolute, universal, or definite, including all of these laws. The world turns. This too shall change.
2nd Law: The ends do not justify the means, but the greater good is still important. It simply has the same level of importance as immediate, short-term good.
3rd Law: The balance between good and evil exists without your help. "Providing contrast," is not a legitamite excuse for bad behavior.
4th Law: Your life does not need to be absolutely dedicated to charity. Improving your own life is as good an act as improving someone elses, as long as you don't drag others down so that you may rise.
5th Law: Honesty and humility are important. Humility allows you to accept the honesty of others, and honesty allows you to remind others of the importance of humility.
6th Law: You reap what you sow, so plant kindness, generosity, and joy. There will be weeds, and not all of the seeds will sprout, but the one's that do are worth the effort.
7th Law: Desentization cripples your empathy. Do not allow yourself to be conditioned to atrocities; when a million deaths seems like a statistic, remember that a million is a multitude of individual and tragic deaths.
8th Law: Concentrate on the now, for it is all that exists. The past has been destroyed and recreated into the now, and since the future doesn't exist yet it isn't worth worrying too much about.
1st: And thus it is that all these laws should be disregarded because as you admit they aren't absolute, and also based upon a completely arbitrary method
2nd: So then do means justify ends? I can't agree with this one because the long term is the most important part of doing good. Simply put "You give a man a fish, he's fed for a day, you teach a man to fish, he's fed for a lifetime." Naturally there are means that are not to be allowed, but still many times horrible action can be justified by the outcome.
3rd: Never said it was an excuse for wrongs, just a reason why all life has value even wretched life
4th: Given. but also isn't the very act of raising one self the lowering another just by virtue of the fact that you are raising yourself. Just as if someone were to move up in a race from 5th to 3rd place, then the old places would be lowered simply by him raising himself. All life is like this analogy.
5th: Lies often protect more people than the truth. The truth can hurt.
6th: You reap what you sow. But often times the seeds of generosity and kindness can look a lot like the seeds of hate and other negatives and vice versa. Just sow what you think is best, for that is all you can do
7th: Death is a part of life. I fear the deaths of those close to me to a degree that I can't even really fathom. That being said, none have enough tears to shed one for every life lost, many only have enough for those they love. I admire the strength you had during your tragedy Jake, you contended with something that haunts my deepest nightmares. In that respect you are a much stronger man than I.
8th: The now exists only on the instant, concentrate on the next now, for that is what the now effects. To focus only on the now would be inaction.
1st: Nothing is absolute. One may think so, but no matter what circumstances come up that may prove something correct, we will truly never know.
2nd: The ends do justify the means. The fisherman analogy is a great example of this.
3rd: No idea what you're talking about.
4th: Both of you make sense, I'm conflicted on what to put here.
5th: This is where I lay down the law. Humility is something humanity will never grasp. If humility existed for everyone as they abide by these laws, the world would be perfect. In Thomas More's Utopia, the Humanist describes a perfect society with the use of education, morals, and reason. However, the basic corruption of the human soul is at fault when pertaining to making utopia unattainable. More himself said his society will never come to frutition, nor do I believe the same. Honesty, on the other hand, is an investment anyone can make. Lies can protect, but only in the present tense. Living lies will destroy your soul. For this, I refer back to the fisherman analogy, that the ends justify the means, as a way of saying that telling the truth may hurt, but in the long run honesty is a virtue. Also unlike me, I would also like to cite a memory from my childhood, an episode of Veggitales. Oh, the Christian propaganda. Nevertheless, moral lessons can be learned from such. The episode I am referring to, from a metaphorical standpoint, is one where a boy tells a lie, and as he lies, he creates a monstrosity within his soul, one that plagues him and the people around him, and eventually the entire city. Lies build up, and they cannot be stopped unless honesty is achieved.
tl;dr version: Screw your bluff check, I have logic.
6th: Seeds are seeds. Your own farm is what you must keep watch of, not others. To other farmers, your seeds of kindness may seem like the bane of their own crops, but those are trivial worries that shouldn't occupy your mind.
7th: I've...had no tragedies in my life. No comment.
8th: Niko's philosophy makes more sense on this one. Now only exists for the smallest amount of time you can possibly perceive; Future nows are what you must live for, future nows that disable the inaction of the present now. "Now" is a figurative term; it comes from the brain's perception of the present tense. Now can be a moment, and it can be a period over the course of weeks. This is why it's always beneficial to work for the future, and use "now" to aim for your future goals.