Testing...

Smilodon · Post by **Smilodon** » Sat Mar 17, 2001 1:06 am

I see it. Looks great to me.------------------
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Dedos · Post by **Dedos** » Sat Mar 17, 2001 2:55 am

Looks good to me (IE 5.5 on W2K)

Zapjones · Post by **Zapjones** » Sat Mar 17, 2001 2:58 am

Beautiful as always.~Caleb

Robert The Addled · Post by **Robert The Addled** » Sat Mar 17, 2001 6:48 am

You've been at the "help desk" haven't you?------------------
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Gordon · Post by **Gordon** » Sat Mar 17, 2001 9:13 am

Good to go!Netscape 4.73
Netscape 6
Mozilla 0.8

Reinder · Post by **Reinder** » Sat Mar 17, 2001 12:35 pm

Here's two copies of a panel from a forthcoming ROCR story. One is a gif, the other a PNG. Can you see them both? Do they look the same?
<img src="http://users.bart.nl/~samizdat/pics/pngtest1.png">
<img src="http://users.bart.nl/~samizdat/pics/pngtest1.gif">If you have a problem seeing those images, please respond, telling me what browser and OS you are using.------------------
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Geir · Post by **Geir** » Sat Mar 17, 2001 12:42 pm

Yes, I see them both ---- and WOW do I look forward to reading that story!Geir

Reinder · Post by **Reinder** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 1:56 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Robert The Addled:
You've been at the "help desk" haven't you?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well, Chris is evangelising PNGs everywhere he can. If all goes well, I will switch to PNG after the guest fortnight.------------------
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<A HREF="http://www.rocr.net/" TARGET=_blank>Rogues of Clwyd-Rhan</A>, Humorous fantasy strip, updated Mon-Fri, and really rather good. <A HREF="http://www.rocr.net/d/20000701.html" TARGET=_blank>Read it from the first strip!</A>

PDI · Post by **PDI** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 2:16 am

They both look identical, Windows IE 5.50.45....If my computer weren't dead I'd let you know how Opera does...------------------
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Reinder · Post by **Reinder** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 2:24 am

Drat. In Netscape 4.7 for Linux, the transparent PNG doesn't work - at least not for me.------------------
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<A HREF="http://www.rocr.net/" TARGET=_blank>Rogues of Clwyd-Rhan</A>, Humorous fantasy strip, updated Mon-Fri, and really rather good. <A HREF="http://www.rocr.net/d/20000701.html" TARGET=_blank>Read it from the first strip!</A>

Reinder · Post by **Reinder** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 2:55 am

Staroffice 5.1 can show the transparency, but not too well. Hmmm. Then again, it hardly counts as a web browser.------------------
Reinder Dijkhuis
<A HREF="http://www.rocr.net/" TARGET=_blank>Rogues of Clwyd-Rhan</A>, Humorous fantasy strip, updated Mon-Fri, and really rather good. <A HREF="http://www.rocr.net/d/20000701.html" TARGET=_blank>Read it from the first strip!</A>

Reinder · Post by **Reinder** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 3:39 am

Statically linked Opera 5 for Linux doesn't show the transparent png - but maybe it does use a lower-lever OS library for showing pngs that I must replace. (It's statically linked to QT which probably doesn't have anything to do with image rendering)

Nice to have OPera for Linux again though. And it's improved!------------------
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<A HREF="http://www.rocr.net/" TARGET=_blank>Rogues of Clwyd-Rhan</A>, Humorous fantasy strip, updated Mon-Fri, and really rather good. <A HREF="http://www.rocr.net/d/20000701.html" TARGET=_blank>Read it from the first strip!</A>

Maboo · Post by **Maboo** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 6:02 am

They both show the transparency well for me.Mab

Bluecanary · Post by **Bluecanary** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 7:34 am

i can see them just fine. looks good.
i'm using windows me and ie. not my choice but hey at least i can see things.i can try later on one of the school's macs to see if it can bet seen there too, if ya want.now, i've found another comic to read. more archives to plunge through. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/smile.gif"> oh well. good thing it's spring break.-kathryn <A HREF="http://bluecanary.keenspace.com" TARGET=_blank>http://bluecanary.keenspace.com</A>

Reinder · Post by **Reinder** » Sun Mar 18, 2001 9:17 am

Yours doesn't look too bad either, Kathryn!I'm now at my parents' house where I've installed Mozilla 0.8 and Opera 5.02 for Windows on their spanking new computer. The PNG image looks fine on both.------------------
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<A HREF="http://www.rocr.net/" TARGET=_blank>Rogues of Clwyd-Rhan</A>, Humorous fantasy strip, updated Mon-Fri, and really rather good. <A HREF="http://www.rocr.net/d/20000701.html" TARGET=_blank>Read it from the first strip!</A>

Reinder · Post by **Reinder** » Tue Mar 20, 2001 1:08 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Dedos:
 Does PNG have the option to reduce the amount of colors like a GIF? (It didn't when I saw it in Photoshop 5)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Internally, no. There are just two settings (8-bit and 24-bit) to choose from.However, reducing the colors in your graphics program will lead to more adjacent pixels being the same color so the compression will work better, just as with GIFs.
 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>
Also, on that same note, what program do you recommend for saving your work in a PNG format?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>The GIMP. Actually, I would recommend that for gif (if you're in Europe or have a Unysis licence <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/smile.gif">. Gif support is actually distributed as a separate plugin) and Jpeg as well. GIMP's endless tweaking of files is the main reason why I keep recommending it despite its usability problems. I think the download address is <A HREF="http://www.gimp.org/win32/" TARGET=_blank>http://www.gimp.org/win32/</A> but I'm not sure.------------------
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Mcvos · Post by **Mcvos** » Tue Mar 20, 2001 4:50 am

The top picture doesn't have a transparent windows. The bottom one does. (What's so special about transparent windows anyway? It sounds so obvious I can't believe everybody else isn't already doing it.)I'm using netscape 4.76 on Solaris.

Dedos · Post by **Dedos** » Tue Mar 20, 2001 5:47 am

My graphics program shows a marked increase in file size vs.a JPG (3.5x), so I don't think I'll be switching any time soon...

Reinder · Post by **Reinder** » Tue Mar 20, 2001 7:07 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Dedos:
My graphics program shows a marked increase in file size vs.a JPG (3.5x), so I don't think I'll be switching any time soon...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Well, PNG doesn't do what JPG does. It's intended to replace gifs, and my tests show that it does this really well (10% decrease compared to my already small gifs)------------------
Reinder Dijkhuis
<A HREF="http://www.rocr.net/" TARGET=_blank>Rogues of Clwyd-Rhan</A>, Humorous fantasy strip, updated Mon-Fri, and really rather good. <A HREF="http://www.rocr.net/d/20000701.html" TARGET=_blank>Read it from the first strip!</A>

Rin_desu · Post by **Rin_desu** » Tue Mar 20, 2001 11:55 am

running winnt 4, sp5, and netscape 4.6 & ie 5.00, both turn out just peachy. we'll see how it looks with linux when the cable modem comes next week, check out the mac versions maybe later tonight.------------------
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