........Garneta wrote:I don't expect anything from the update schedule, especially after both doing a comic myself, and after seeing how many other comics update very sporadically.
The only thing I really do expect from a comic is that the artwork should either be consistent, or improved upon as the comic progresses.
I do not expect anyone to update on a rigid schedule even if they establish one. Somebody's always puttin' up some "couldnt get it done this week" stuff on their newspage.yeahduff wrote:Which, of course, is a pretty fucking arrogant attitude for an author to have.Shishio wrote:I'm in the minority, but I think it's pretty fucking arrogant to expect anything from people who provide you with free entertainment.
You're talking to a bunch (or a couple, anyway) of web cartoonists. We know.Lance wrote:I do not expect anyone to update on a rigid schedule even if they establish one. Somebody's always puttin' up some "couldnt get it done this week" stuff on their newspage.yeahduff wrote:Which, of course, is a pretty fucking arrogant attitude for an author to have.Shishio wrote:I'm in the minority, but I think it's pretty fucking arrogant to expect anything from people who provide you with free entertainment.
I pay for my own domain and server, I don't take ads, I do everything from writing and art right thru the webwork, and I update when I can. Sure I'd like to keep the momentum up and keep readers interested but I've seen too many creators burn-out mid story and disappear forever. I can afford to be patient with others who are trying to continue their comics despite the unpaid workload and their own life-pressures.
So I suggest letting COMIC NATION track updates for you. One stop there daily and you'll know everyone that's got new stuff up.
I really dislike the (somewhat common) logic that color equals more time to create, or color means higher quality. As an artist who has worked for years almost exclusively in black and white, and as an enthusiast of the colorless world, I have to say, quite exuberantly, that color should absolutely not be a gauge with which a work's time of creation or level of quality should be judged. In fact, when I work in color, I tend to take less time to finish a piece than when I work only in black and white.warofwinds wrote:I expect a strip comic in b/w to update 3 days a week. Colored, 2 days a week.
I expect a story comic, full page, to update minimum once a week, and depending on the detail, 2 days a week. If it's uncolored, 2 days a week.
At least arrogance on the author's part is a creative arrogance, which has a long and celebrated history. Reader's arrogance is the consumer arrogance that they are owed more of something because they just happen to like it. It's especially garish when that sense of entitlement is essentially expecting something for nothing, which is a trashy and uncouth form of behavior. Speaking as a reader and sometimes fan, as well as a creator, I truly believe that fans should expect nothing for their fandom beyond that which they have already received, and be thankful, not expectant, of any future work. I'm sure my attitude will mean I'll fall prey to the fickle attention of fans sometime in the future, but, hell, it won't be the first time.yeahduff wrote:Which, of course, is a pretty fucking arrogant attitude for an author to have.Shishio wrote:I'm in the minority, but I think it's pretty fucking arrogant to expect anything from people who provide you with free entertainment.
Dear golly, I hope you're the only one.Redtech wrote:Am I the only person who wants loads of clicky-buttons that lead off to random links that describe the cast in absurd levels of detail or back-histories of the world that are never implied in the story?
Pretty much. Not speaking about me, of course, since I tend to half-ass when I do update, End of Things, for instance, takes three times as long to make as any of you color mother fuckers.bustertheclown wrote:
I really dislike the (somewhat common) logic that color equals more time to create, or color means higher quality. As an artist who has worked for years almost exclusively in black and white, and as an enthusiast of the colorless world, I have to say, quite exuberantly, that color should absolutely not be a gauge with which a work's time of creation or level of quality should be judged. In fact, when I work in color, I tend to take less time to finish a piece than when I work only in black and white.
Now, I'm not so thick that I'm unable to understand the general tendency for people is to define cartoons as being merely open-lined drawings with no real shows of value, since that's what a very large amount of cartoons are, especially those falling within the newspaper format. In that instance, the addition of color is a substitution of values. However, that's only one stylistic choice, often one taken as a way to conserve time and energy on a single strip, especially for those who draw seven strips to fill a week. By that method, I think its reasonable to have expectations that b&w takes less time than color, and that neither should take too much time. That is, after all, a very strong reason why the open-lined method of cartooning was created, and is still very popular with both professionals and hobbyists.
However, that stated, there are a lot of comics out there that are being approached more as a mixture of literature and art object, a trend especially taking hold since the popularization of the term "graphic novel" or "visual story". To that end, more and more people are taking greater time and care with their work, and not just churning it out at a high rate. So, what about black and white works that take more time and effort than even most color? These comics not only exist, they exist in abundance. I should know, because apparently, in looking through my reading list for examples of color comics, I don't actually read anything with color, and I don't actually read anything that looks like it was drawn quickly. (honestly, I'm shocked at myself, and I had no idea how prejudiced against color I was until I started writing this reply...) Anyway, the point is, I could name dozens of comics like this out there, and I'm sure everybody here could at least come up with a few great examples on their own. So, a wholesale judgment of time or quality, based on color or the lack there-of, to me is far too homogeneous.
Eh, arrogance is arrogance. Not saying fans can do no wrong, but we read things at the expense of other things, and when investment is returned in a "Fuck you, I'll do what I want," we feel cheated. Free or not, a reader can reasonably expect that the work is delivered on time and is true to itself. Personal photos or lesbian sex scenes, though, are at the descretion of the author.bustertheclown wrote:
At least arrogance on the author's part is a creative arrogance, which has a long and celebrated history. Reader's arrogance is the consumer arrogance that they are owed more of something because they just happen to like it. It's especially garish when that sense of entitlement is essentially expecting something for nothing, which is a trashy and uncouth form of behavior. Speaking as a reader and sometimes fan, as well as a creator, I truly believe that fans should expect nothing for their fandom beyond that which they have already received, and be thankful, not expectant, of any future work. I'm sure my attitude will mean I'll fall prey to the fickle attention of fans sometime in the future, but, hell, it won't be the first time.
Heh heh, hard to disagree with any part of this.bustertheclown wrote: I will say this, though. If you, as a creator, expect a large and regular returning troupe of viewers to your site, then you'd best damned well make with the content on a consistent basis. Otherwise, it's your own fault if people don't come back. Readers may sometimes be rude, ugly parasites, there's no question that gaining regular readers means embracing parasitic infection, and making it a symbiotic relationship. Actually, the more I think about it, the more parallel creating a webcomic and catching an STD becomes.
Seriously. Go to Target's website and leave me alone.bustertheclown wrote:Dear golly, I hope you're the only one.Redtech wrote:Am I the only person who wants loads of clicky-buttons that lead off to random links that describe the cast in absurd levels of detail or back-histories of the world that are never implied in the story?
If your time is so important that you can't waste any of it, then why risk undertaking any endeavour that may not prove worthwhile?prettysenshi wrote:Alright, I'm go to a website expecting to have decent art and writing, that updates somewhat regularly and is at least entertaining, and end up viewing a webcomic that has atrocious art and story, is just degrading and sick, that updates only a few times a year, and isnt' entertaining, at all. If I paid for it, I could at least get a refund. But because its free, I can't get any of what I invested into viewing the comic back.
Yes, exactly. Thank you, I couldn't have written anything half as articulate as this.bustertheclown wrote:At least arrogance on the author's part is a creative arrogance, which has a long and celebrated history. Reader's arrogance is the consumer arrogance that they are owed more of something because they just happen to like it. It's especially garish when that sense of entitlement is essentially expecting something for nothing, which is a trashy and uncouth form of behavior. Speaking as a reader and sometimes fan, as well as a creator, I truly believe that fans should expect nothing for their fandom beyond that which they have already received, and be thankful, not expectant, of any future work. I'm sure my attitude will mean I'll fall prey to the fickle attention of fans sometime in the future, but, hell, it won't be the first time.yeahduff wrote:Which, of course, is a pretty fucking arrogant attitude for an author to have.Shishio wrote:I'm in the minority, but I think it's pretty fucking arrogant to expect anything from people who provide you with free entertainment.
I will say this, though. If you, as a creator, expect a large and regular returning troupe of viewers to your site, then you'd best damned well make with the content on a consistent basis. Otherwise, it's your own fault if people don't come back. Readers may sometimes be rude, ugly parasites, there's no question that gaining regular readers means embracing parasitic infection, and making it a symbiotic relationship. Actually, the more I think about it, the more parallel creating a webcomic and catching an STD becomes.
Ooh yeah! I love that!I'm also slightly OCD, and having that type of organization puts my mind at ease (and also makes the archive calendar look pretty...)
