Movie Cliches We Love and Hate

VinnieD · Post by **VinnieD** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 1:26 am

theSuburbanLetdown wrote:
legostargalactica wrote:I'm very tired of the "i'm gonna beat the crap out of you, but i won't finish you off, cause that would make me no better than you," attitude of action heroes. No, you kill the bastard so he won't come back in the next movie! You just blew up a highway full of innocent civilians to get to this dumbass, you ARE no better than him, KILL HIM!
That's why I got annoyed with Mega Man.

Yeah a bit late on this. Megaman obeys the 3 Asimov laws, so he can't Kill Dr. Wily. It came up in Megaman 7.

Mooncity · Post by **Mooncity** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 7:08 am

Howsabout these:

1.) When people bail out of a moving car (before it goes over a cliff or whatever), they never seem to get hurt (you'd see this in old movie serials a lot, but it still goes on).

2.) when a couple is screwing, they both climax at the exact same time... EVERY time.

3.) When exposed to space, people either instantly freeze (Mission to Mars) or they explode (Outland).

4.) When little kids are lost in the woods, the animals are their friends and watch out for them (Disney movies, Grizzly Adams, any "back to nature" movie from the 60s-70s).

Rock_dash · Post by **Rock_dash** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:39 am

VinnieD wrote:
theSuburbanLetdown wrote:
legostargalactica wrote:I'm very tired of the "i'm gonna beat the crap out of you, but i won't finish you off, cause that would make me no better than you," attitude of action heroes. No, you kill the bastard so he won't come back in the next movie! You just blew up a highway full of innocent civilians to get to this dumbass, you ARE no better than him, KILL HIM!
That's why I got annoyed with Mega Man.
Yeah a bit late on this. Megaman obeys the 3 Asimov laws, so he can't Kill Dr. Wily. It came up in Megaman 7.

I thought that in that ending, Megaman implied that he COULD kill Dr. Wily, and might have if he hadn't hesitated for too long. At least, that's how it was in the english version.

IVstudios · Post by **IVstudios** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:44 am

mooncity wrote: 3.) When exposed to space, people either instantly freeze (Mission to Mars) or they explode (Outland).

Actually, I feel that this doesn't happen nearly often enough in movies. Most of the time people are exposed to space in movies, they seem just unable to breath like they are under water or something, as opposed to freezing and exploding (and being fried by sunlight, and irradiated by space rays, and perforated my flying debris), which is what would really happen.

As someone from a city on the moon, you should be more aware of the risks of exposer to space.

Mooncity · Post by **Mooncity** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 10:16 am

ivstudios wrote:
mooncity wrote: 3.) When exposed to space, people either instantly freeze (Mission to Mars) or they explode (Outland).
Actually, I feel that this doesn't happen nearly often enough in movies. Most of the time people are exposed to space in movies, they seem just unable to breath like they are under water or something, as opposed to freezing and exploding (and being fried by sunlight, and irradiated by space rays, and perforated my flying debris), which is what would really happen.

As someone from a city on the moon, you should be more aware of the risks of exposer to space.

Actually, neither would happen. Exposure to sunlight might quickly give you a really bad sunburn (unless you were very close to the sun), and exposure to the cold of space may indeed freeze you, but not instantaneously (like they showed in M2M). Radiation from cosmic rays would be the least of your worries, because that wouldn't kill you instantly. You wouldn't explode, either, even if you were hit by shrapnel (which admittedly, wouldn't help matters). True, your surface blood vessels would burst, but that's more or less under the skin. After a bit, your blood would begin to turn to foam, which could be very nasty. You could survive exposure for maybe 20-30 seconds and get away with it, but it would not be much fun. 40-50 seconds, you'd be in intensive care. Beyond that, by 60 to 70 seconds, you'd pretty much croak.

All this is assuming you aren't wearing a space suit, which could buy you a little more time (maybe 10 to 20 seconds or so).

I really hate the movie, but "Event Horizon" had a fairly realistic exposure-to-space sequence.

IVstudios · Post by **IVstudios** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 10:57 am

I feel you are under estimating the extreme conditions of space. Without our atmosphere we would die almost instantly form the sunlight alone. And depending on the intensity, cosmic radiation (also produced by the sun) could kill just as fast.

Not to mention the sudden disappearance of the constant 15 PSI exerted by the atmosphere would definitely cause some internal explosions (Maybe not a full body explosion, but every organ in your body would suddenly be like a balloon with to much air in it)

I think we may need a rkolter check on this one though.

Edit: As for the temperature, according to This site the temparature an object would be in space with no sunlight would be about 5º k or -450.67º F. I'm not sure how fast a human body would cool in space, but -450.67º F is damn cold.

K-Dawg · Post by **K-Dawg** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:28 pm

A generalization:

The token black kid who's just there to fill the ethnic quota. He is only allowed to hang out in the back and say "damn" and "that shit is whack"

Dr Legostar · Post by **Dr Legostar** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:53 pm

K-Dawg wrote:A generalization:

The token black kid who's just there to fill the ethnic quota. He is only allowed to hang out in the back and say "damn" and "that shit is whack"

but that's pretty much all you did at CN expo!

K-Dawg · Post by **K-Dawg** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:59 pm

legostargalactica wrote:
K-Dawg wrote:A generalization:

The token black kid who's just there to fill the ethnic quota. He is only allowed to hang out in the back and say "damn" and "that shit is whack"
but that's pretty much all you did at CN expo!

Damn...that shit is whack!

Mooncity · Post by **Mooncity** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 5:00 pm

ivstudios wrote:I feel you are under estimating the extreme conditions of space. Without our atmosphere we would die almost instantly form the sunlight alone. And depending on the intensity, cosmic radiation (also produced by the sun) could kill just as fast.

Not to mention the sudden disappearance of the constant 15 PSI exerted by the atmosphere would definitely cause some internal explosions (Maybe not a full body explosion, but every organ in your body would suddenly be like a balloon with to much air in it)

I think we may need a rkolter check on this one though.

Edit: As for the temperature, according to This site the temparature an object would be in space with no sunlight would be about 5º k or -450.67º F. I'm not sure how fast a human body would cool in space, but -450.67º F is damn cold.

Well, I'm assuming the unlucky astronaut is in near Earth orbit. Way out in space, yeah, he'd freeze much faster. In orbit of the sun, he'd fry faster. But at the orbit of Earth or Mars, let's say, he'd have about a minute to live. Again, solar or cosmic radiation isn't the problem (that's more like adding insult to injury in this case). In M2M they showed an astronaut taking off his helmet and instantly freezing to death, which isn't really what would happen. Remember, he had a spacesuit on, so he'd retain enough heat not to flash freeze like that. Freezing would definitely take somewhat longer than they showed in the movie, anyway. Without a suit on, the astronaut is in bigger trouble, but he still wouldn't blow up (a la "Outland"). Lots of skin damage, burst blood vessels, etc. I imagine internal organs would probably be more affected by the asphyxia and the blood turning to foam (kind of the reverse of the bends; without air pressure, the blood would begin boiling/bubbling).

Kinda yucky and definitely not the best of ways to go. Being done to death by the Laker Girls, now that would be a great way to go.

Rock_dash · Post by **Rock_dash** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 6:54 pm

K-Dawg wrote:
legostargalactica wrote:
K-Dawg wrote:A generalization:

The token black kid who's just there to fill the ethnic quota. He is only allowed to hang out in the back and say "damn" and "that shit is whack"
but that's pretty much all you did at CN expo!
Damn...that shit is whack!

*watches in horror as K-Dawg is the first to be murdered by a homicidal maniac*

[geoduck] · Post by **[geoduck]** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 11:58 pm

mooncity wrote: I really hate the movie, but "Event Horizon" had a fairly realistic exposure-to-space sequence.

2001 had one as well. Also the only scifi movie ever made where the spaceship doesn't emit a Deep Rumbling Noise as it travels through the airless vacuum of space.

Cuendolin · Post by **Cuendolin** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:21 am

I don't know if It has been said, but I really hate when the hero has to use a powerful artifact, and discovers how to use it only by making a big effort or getting angry.
An example is "Dungeons and Dragons" (Perfect comedy movie).
I'd like to repair my computer just that way

Jesusabdullah · Post by **Jesusabdullah** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:24 am

Now I want to see a movie where the space ship goes "vrooooommmmmm" as it cruises the cosmos.

Rkolter · Post by **Rkolter** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 5:26 am

mooncity wrote:
ivstudios wrote:I think we may need a rkolter check on this one though.
Well, I'm assuming the unlucky astronaut is in near Earth orbit. Way out in space, yeah, he'd freeze much faster. In orbit of the sun, he'd fry faster. But at the orbit of Earth or Mars, let's say, he'd have about a minute to live.

Just to clarify this bit - it wouldn't matter much if you were in the orbit of pluto or the orbit of the Earth.

See, there are three things to be afraid of in deep space, and they are in order:

1) Zero atmospheres of pressure - liquid water is not stable and will either boil or freeze; actually, both. Simultaneously.

2) Inability to regulate your temperature.

3) Inability to breathe.

And they will kill you in that order too.

See, you can go several minutes without air. So... big deal. No air won't kill you right away. And your core temperature won't crash or rise that quickly either. Not fast enough to kill you at any rate.

But oooh, that lack of pressure. See, you won't explode. That's just silly - you are far more durable than that. Your skin and muscle can hold itself together just fine at zero atmospheres. And your internal organs likewise, won't suffer much, well, not right away.

What will initially happen is that the fluids on the surface of your body will start to boil. Then, the outermost tissues will take damage. That'll happen pretty quickly. Still, thirty seconds or so of this maltreatment won't kill you - you'll suffer, but you won't DIE.

Get past that thirty seconds, and you start to worry about your eyeballs, which don't have much protecting them. And the tissue damage goes deeper. The fluid in your lungs starts to boil once you open the passage to exhale.

You'd lose conciousness pretty quickly - you might make it to a minute if you were in good shape. After that, it'd be a process of dehydration and dry freezing. Still, dying of exposure to hard vaccum would be a miserable, horrible way to die.

As for the sun - the big fear there is that you can only radiate heat, and the sun can warm you faster than you can shed the heat. While you'd get a nasty sunburn and could easily go blind in space exposed to the sun, you'd be too busy writhing in agony as your fluids boiled into space to care.

Corgan_dane · Post by **Corgan_dane** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 2:25 pm

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The cereal that makes you forget horrible ways to die!

IVstudios · Post by **IVstudios** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 3:11 pm

Since it has been rkoltered, I retract my previous objection.

Tellurider · Post by **Tellurider** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 3:17 pm

mooncity wrote:
yeahduff wrote: I'll go to science class to learn about vacuums.
Biggest flaw with all of the "new" Star Treks (except maybe Entrerprise) is the constant barrage of technical babble. Basically, the writers would (literally) have "fill in the blank" spaces in the scripts so a medical or scientific consultant could add some sciencey-sounding speak that came off like a bad Scrabble hand. So instead of sounding smart and full of knowledge, the characters sounded like jabbering babblers.

It really pissed me off because, not only was it pointless, lazy, and a waste of screen/story time, but Spock, McCoy, and Scotty never had to use that crap to explain science/medical/technical stuff on the REAL Star Trek.

It's a fine line to walk in Sci-Fi. If you have something like Star Trek, where everyone lives in the future and is used to stuff, why the hell would they *ever* need to explain, for example, how a phaser works? Everyone there already knows. Or doesn't care, like how I don't care about java programming.

On the other hand, if you write some sci-fi story and don't bother to explain ANY of the future technology, then it may as well be techno-fantasy. Kind of like Star Wars - as far as anyone knows, R2-D2 is powered by love and kittens.

I think more things should be kitten-powered. They're all cute and fuzzy. Anyone ever watch "Chip 'n' Dale: Rescue Rangers"? There was this one episode where a mad scientist made a static-electricity destructo-zapper using cats tossed in a giant dryer. I want a cat-powered destructo-zapper!

Sketchywallflowr · Post by **Sketchywallflowr** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:01 pm

I hate directors thinking that a couple of moronic characters can carry a half-assed plot for two hours.

ManyWorlds · Post by **ManyWorlds** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 8:04 pm

rkolter wrote:*lotsa stuff about space-exposure*

See, this is why I gave up my childhood ambition to be an astronaut. Not because I think there's even a remote chance of that kind of thing happening, but because I hear descriptions like this, and I have a REALLY vivid imagination.

And cliches? The good guy being horribly beat up, reflecting on who or what he's fighting for, and suddenly getting up and kicking ass.
Oh, and pure gore trying to pass itself off as 'horror'.