Heterosexuals banned from bar

[Leperdoctor]

I really have mixed feelings about this. Yay or nay? Does banning straight women, straight men and gay women from a bar setting actually solve anything, or is it discrimination under a modern mask? o_O

[PF27]

I can understand heterosexuals to some extent. It'd avoid a lot of stupid, awkward questions and people being hit on by the wrong gender. But lesbians seems kind of wrong. >.<

[Dotty]

I concur. I can completely understand the heterosexual part...not saying it's right, but I can say I do understand. Banning lesbians confuses me a bit, though. o.o

[Sketchywallflowr]

I don't think we should have gay bars. They should just be regular bars. I mean, we don't have black bars or white bars, do we? If you hit on someone and they're not interested, they should say "No, thanks" and be done with it. And if you get grossed out by the though of another person of your gender wanting to sleep with you, find yourself a new decade, pal.

[Killbert-Robby]

I remember some guy hitting on me in a club. That was a new experience.

[Nanda]

Ugh... -_- I'm against all forms of discrimination, so on the one hand, this annoys me. However, since it seems apparent that the heterosexuals in the area seem bent on disturbing these people, it seems to be the only course of action left. However, I didn't see it say anywhere that they were planning on banning lesbians. The only mention of lesbians I saw at all was this:

"Sometimes heterosexual groups and lesbian groups insult and deride and are even physically violent towards the gay male patrons."

But then I see no other mention of lesbians, and at no point did the article say that lesbians would be banned, only heterosexuals. So... Yeah. I don't know. Typo?

[Vorticus]

Not too concerned about this. However if at a later date a heterosexual bar owner wants to ban homosexuals from his bar and people get mad, I will be pissed. Double standards

[MixedMyth]

I can understand having gay bars. I mean, if the wrong person gets flirted with, they're liable to retaliate, perhaps even violently. However, although I understand it, I don't think I can support banning straight men, woman, and gay women from gay bars. Because in the end, you're just banning someone because of their sex and sexual orientation. It's going to be awfully hard to fight for recognition when you do something like that. What if someone bans gays from a place? It's not all that different. So yeah, I can understand it, but the ends don't justify the means. Especially when it can come back and bite you as a precedent.

[Dotty]

I don't think we should have gay bars. They should just be regular bars. I mean, we don't have black bars or white bars, do we? If you hit on someone and they're not interested, they should say "No, thanks" and be done with it. And if you get grossed out by the though of another person of your gender wanting to sleep with you, find yourself a new decade, pal.

Ever see a man who likes men hit on a man who likes women in a bar scene? The result tends to be very malicious, and sometimes violent. Some men/women get so offended and angry that the poor guy who asked a question winds up dead the next morning.

Homosexuality is becoming a little more accepted in todays society...but it's not that accepted, yet. I think they need their space.

[Sketchywallflowr]

I don't think we should have gay bars. They should just be regular bars. I mean, we don't have black bars or white bars, do we? If you hit on someone and they're not interested, they should say "No, thanks" and be done with it. And if you get grossed out by the though of another person of your gender wanting to sleep with you, find yourself a new decade, pal.

Ever see a man who likes men hit on a man who likes women in a bar scene? The result tends to be very malicious, and sometimes violent. Some men/women get so offended and angry that the poor guy who asked a question winds up dead the next morning.

Homosexuality is becoming a little more accepted in todays society...but it's not that accepted, yet. I think they need their space.

I guess my point is that it shouldn't be that way. I mean, if a guy on the stret hits on a lesbian, she doesn't kill him. She says no and they move on. If he hits on a straight woman who isn't interested, she says no they move on. Everyone in the universe needs to chill out.

[Nanda]

Not too concerned about this. However if at a later date a heterosexual bar owner wants to ban homosexuals from his bar and people get mad, I will be pissed. Double standards

I agree, Vort, but the difference is intent. If a predominantly hetero bar is banning homosexuals, it's usually because they hate gay people; It's discrimination based on intolerance. This gay bar is banning heterosexuals because they've been threatened with violence, and the resulting discrimination is based on self-preservation. Yes, they're both discriminating, but for two very different reasons. It would be a lot easier if the subject were black and white, but it simply isn't.

[Dr Legostar]

here's the important question, how would you react if a bar had the ability to ban homosexuals?

[Nanda]

here's the important question, how would you react if a bar had the ability to ban homosexuals?

See above post.

[Dr Legostar]

here's the important question, how would you react if a bar had the ability to ban homosexuals?

See above post.

daaaaamn you for posting first! ::shakes fist::

seriously though. Yes, the intent differs, and it's a valid intent, but it's still discrimination. I would feel really sad if I happened to have enjoyed going to that bar, and now I couldn't go in just cause i was heterosexual.

[Nanda]

here's the important question, how would you react if a bar had the ability to ban homosexuals?

See above post.

daaaaamn you for posting first! ::shakes fist::

seriously though. Yes, the intent differs, and it's a valid intent, but it's still discrimination. I would feel really sad if I happened to have enjoyed going to that bar, and now I couldn't go in just cause i was heterosexual.

As would I! All I'm saying here is that the subject is a bit more sensitive than "Well, don't come whining to us when we decide to ban gays from our bars!"

[Dotty]

I don't think we should have gay bars. They should just be regular bars. I mean, we don't have black bars or white bars, do we? If you hit on someone and they're not interested, they should say "No, thanks" and be done with it. And if you get grossed out by the though of another person of your gender wanting to sleep with you, find yourself a new decade, pal.

Ever see a man who likes men hit on a man who likes women in a bar scene? The result tends to be very malicious, and sometimes violent. Some men/women get so offended and angry that the poor guy who asked a question winds up dead the next morning.

Homosexuality is becoming a little more accepted in todays society...but it's not that accepted, yet. I think they need their space.

I guess my point is that it shouldn't be that way. I mean, if a guy on the stret hits on a lesbian, she doesn't kill him. She says no and they move on. If he hits on a straight woman who isn't interested, she says no they move on. Everyone in the universe needs to chill out.

I agree. The world needs to piss off and mind its own buisness.

[Magpye]

Bah. Rant follows. Feel free to skip it.

I don't like the flavour of the proposed ban at all. I'm sorry, but the same argument about insults (and maybe violence; I don't know, does Australia consist entirely of flower-waving, limp wristed homosexuals? Most gay men I know work out regularly and could probably easily lamp anyone thick enough to pick a fight...) could apply equally in the opposite situation. And is it perhaps possible that the group in question are just overreacting a little bit?

If you go out drinking, you *can* expect some idiot somewhere to insult you - for your clothes, your looks, your perceived reputation, the size of your jugs... I mean, I don't ask for rugby players to be banned from my local, just because every time a group of them come in they shout out insulting comments about the size of my chest. (I'm aware there's not yet a crime called sizeism.) You shouldn't have the right to belittle someone just because they are different, but eh, you can't blanket ban an entire section of the public just based on sex and sexual orientation either. Tolerance does (or should) work both ways.

It's life. People are by and large cruel if you're different; and alcohol makes stupid people even stupider, and if you can't see it, you're either in denial or living in cloud cuckoo land. Sigh... I don't know what my point is. I just wish that people would see that segregating themselves even further isn't going to help their cause any. *shrug*

Edited for clarity and to tone down the language a bit.

[Dr Legostar]

See above post.

daaaaamn you for posting first! ::shakes fist::

seriously though. Yes, the intent differs, and it's a valid intent, but it's still discrimination. I would feel really sad if I happened to have enjoyed going to that bar, and now I couldn't go in just cause i was heterosexual.

As would I! All I'm saying here is that the subject is a bit more sensitive than "Well, don't come whining to us when we decide to ban gays from our bars!"

true, i didn't mean it to come across that way, personally i would just like the solution to involve the offenders getting punished instead of the rest of the heterosexual population who have nothing but respect for the homosexual community.

[Dotty]

Magpye:

I can see your point, as wrapped in vagueness and anger as it was. It's a very valid one. Discrimination is discrimination. However, you must be able to acknowledge the large amounts of violence over the years towards those of a homosexual nature. Heck, this is because the bar was threatened with violence.

I don't know what peoples damage is, but when it comes to the homosexual issue, people flip out. They get angry, they get violent. Lord knows enough of them have died, just out of curiousity. I'm not sure banning heteros is the logical step here, but I can understand. The owner is scared for the safety of his/her patrons and his/herself.

And no, not all homosexuals are limp wristed pansies, but you have to acknowledge that they are a target for disillusioned pigs who throwback to a time when homosexuality wasn't accepted anywhere, by anyone. Two homosexual males were killed just the other week here in Halifax, and they -think- they caught the culprit. He had targets for several more, and hunted in heavily travelled homosexual hangouts.

It's a scary world full of ignorant pigs that we live in.

[MixedMyth]

The thing is, bad things can come from good reasons. Legally, you can't really differentiate such discrimination so a precedent is a precedent.