Boston, Boston, Boston...

Ce6 · Post by **Ce6** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:10 am

fnyunj wrote:
MNsane wrote:heard on the news this A.M. the mayor of boston wants to petition the FCC to take away Cartoon Network's licence to broadcast
Oh God, please let him DO it.

(I confess that I get a sort of sick perverted pleasure out of watching politicians do completely stupid shit - I think it's the Bush presidency that did it to me.)

I'd laugh more if they didn't keep getting away with it.

Churba · Post by **Churba** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:29 am

I'd Laugh even more if in his final days of office, Bush Came out and Presented every single bit of public available information they had against moore, in both a complex form, and a form even the dumbest bastards can understand - Every lie He had told in his movies, Every narcissistic open letter answered in a calm and intelligent manner, and every Propaganda Piece he calls books, Exposed for what they were.

Not only would Moore be utterly, utterly hoisted by my *favourite* of hanging ropes, his own petard, But It would be by the person he has ridiculed for being a Moron, a bad president, and not being able to read.

WangyJohn · Post by **WangyJohn** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 8:01 am

Just one comment here.

You know the blinking lights on bombs, the very visible digital counters, obvious explosives marked so, and beeps to indicate seconds passed on bombs?

Those exist only in the world of James Bond.

Squidflakes · Post by **Squidflakes** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 8:36 am

Churba wrote:I'd Laugh even more if in his final days of office, Bush Came out and Presented every single bit of public available information they had against moore, in both a complex form, and a form even the dumbest bastards can understand - Every lie He had told in his movies, Every narcissistic open letter answered in a calm and intelligent manner, and every Propaganda Piece he calls books, Exposed for what they were.

Not only would Moore be utterly, utterly hoisted by my *favourite* of hanging ropes, his own petard, But It would be by the person he has ridiculed for being a Moron, a bad president, and not being able to read.

What does that have to do with anything?

Kittyboymuffin · Post by **Kittyboymuffin** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:12 am

WangyJohn wrote:Just one comment here.

You know the blinking lights on bombs, the very visible digital counters, obvious explosives marked so, and beeps to indicate seconds passed on bombs?

Those exist only in the world of James Bond.

Reality is unrealistic.

Jrm · Post by **Jrm** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 3:00 pm

Lulujayne wrote:The punchline is that the media keeps photoshopping and blurring out the middle finger salute that the character is giving.

What. The. Fuck.

If an LED 8-bit-esque cartoon character sticking his middle finger up is worthy of censorship, then we all truly have hit rock bottom, and I say - bring on the bombs in the name of Intelligence.

you ain't fucking kidding. it's time to start over.

Churba · Post by **Churba** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 6:02 pm

What does that have to do with anything?

Well, something like this

(I confess that I get a sort of sick perverted pleasure out of watching politicians do completely stupid shit - I think it's the Bush presidency that did it to me.)

I'd laugh more if they didn't keep getting away with it.

Aeridus · Post by **Aeridus** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:38 pm

The whole situation is nuts... I mean, if they were bombs, they wouldn't be sitting around for a couple weeks attracting pedestrians.

They'd just go off within a few hours of being placed.

Churba · Post by **Churba** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 4:46 am

I think that even if this is a terrorist plot, Then the terrorists are being intentionally stupid, because it actually seems to work better than actually committing acts of terrorism proper.

Warmachine · Post by **Warmachine** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 6:15 pm

Scared of the unrecognised? I'd point and laugh at these Stone Age throwbacks but it explains US foreign and security policy.

LeftTentacleGreen · Post by **LeftTentacleGreen** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 5:31 am

This quote I found on Huffington Post pretty much sums it up for Boston:

"Thank God they didn't find a Speak and Spell. They'd probably have called in a hostage team to negotiate with it." - RJ Eskow

Squidflakes · Post by **Squidflakes** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 10:48 am

Ok, I've been doing physical and network security for going on 5 years now. This doesn't make me an expert by any stretch of the imagination, but it has taught me enough to know that 90% of the security measures taken by the US in airports, sea ports, boarder check points, government networks and data stores, and facilities is absolute crap.

Airports are the worst examples.

They check the passengers with metal detectors when you can made deadly weapons from plastic, glass, or composites.

They ban liquids because some idiots tried to make a liquid binary explosive, when anyone with a modicum of security training knows that without the right equipment, you can make one from just liquids. Nowhere on the right equipment list will you find "aircraft toilet".

They allow 3rd party crews and contractors to service the aircraft while they are on the ground, yet they don't do background checks or search ground crew before allowing them to come in contact with hundreds of aircraft a day. From what I've read, they have started requiring crews to undergo some more careful background checking and such, but all they are catching is drug charges and traffic tickets.

I've always said, when your security is run by idiots, you're only going to catch idiots. Idiots don't make good terrorists because just about anyone can catch them. Its the professionals that worry me. The guys who have been training from birth to strike a blow for their various political or social or religious views. The people who don't fear death or pain, only the failure of their mission. The people who are so good at what they do that they aren't going to show up on terror watch lists, but they will show up at your kid's PTA meeting.

Fnyunj · Post by **Fnyunj** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 9:17 pm

squidflakes wrote:Ok, I've been doing physical and network security for going on 5 years now. This doesn't make me an expert by any stretch of the imagination, but it has taught me enough to know that 90% of the security measures taken by the US in airports, sea ports, boarder check points, government networks and data stores, and facilities is absolute crap.

That's because 90% of security measures taken by the US in airports has abso fucking lutely nothing at all to do with security, and everything to do with making the PAYING CUSTOMERS feel secure.

Really not much more to say about it other than that.

Churba · Post by **Churba** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 10:35 pm

They ban liquids because some idiots tried to make a liquid binary explosive, when anyone with a modicum of security training knows that without the right equipment, you can make one from just liquids. Nowhere on the right equipment list will you find "aircraft toilet".

Didn't help that they were just dumping the liquids into open top Rubbish Bins, either. You might not be able to make a Binary explosive like that, but it would be a trivial matter to carry two water bottles containing maybe Ricin, maybe even just having to chemicals that will decompose into a flammable or poisonous gas.

Lowky · Post by **Lowky** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 3:23 am

back in college we had a couple of idiots using a wee bit of chemistry for booms. Swimming pool acid, a bit of tinfoil and a 20 oz pop bottle. gas is produced in a sealed container, it builds pressure and boom. they were dropping them in trash cans in common areas of the dorm.

Leeloo · Post by **Leeloo** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:25 am

fnyunj wrote:That's because 90% of security measures taken by the US in airports has abso fucking lutely nothing at all to do with security, and everything to do with making the PAYING CUSTOMERS feel secure.

I'm not so sure about the "feel secure" part. It looks more like an attempt at making people feel that there is a lot to fear, and the invasive "security" policies are really necessary, when the truth is that they are more likely to be killed in a car crash on the way to the airport than to even SEE a terrorist, much less get on the same plane as one.

Squidflakes · Post by **Squidflakes** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:29 am

Lowky wrote:back in college we had a couple of idiots using a wee bit of chemistry for booms. Swimming pool acid, a bit of tinfoil and a 20 oz pop bottle. gas is produced in a sealed container, it builds pressure and boom. they were dropping them in trash cans in common areas of the dorm.

The boom from that is just a lot of gas under pressure suddenly being released. Yea, its explosive, but it doesn't have the energy to do much more that pop a latch on a door or scare the hell out of unsuspecting people.

Kittyboymuffin · Post by **Kittyboymuffin** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:31 am

Leeloo wrote:I'm not so sure about the "feel secure" part. It looks more like an attempt at making people feel that there is a lot to fear, and the invasive "security" policies are really necessary, when the truth is that they are more likely to be killed in a car crash on the way to the airport than to even SEE a terrorist, much less get on the same plane as one.

Of course, I'm sure their response to that would be, "That's what the people who died in 9/11 thought!"

Swordsman3003 · Post by **Swordsman3003** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 11:13 am

Yeah kittyboy but that doesn't change the facts. That's rhetoric not real logic.

RavenxDrake · Post by **RavenxDrake** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 11:46 am

I think that was his point. All it takes to cow the populace is to point out(or manufacture) an enemy, make them afraid of it, then tell them you can protect them and they'll line up like cattle in a corral.

It's tactic that's been used since high priests chucked virgins into volcanos.