Circumcision.

[Squidflakes]

If anything, I would expect cirumcision to increase the risk of transferring HIV virus. Less natural lubrication gives greater risk of tearing, thus giving easier access to the blood stream.

Not necessarily. If the foreskin is being retracted and released rapidly, as would occur in sex, there is usually a greater chance for injury, rather than the other way 'round.

But, again, its just conjecture.

[Kingofthemorlocks]

Here, here's the absolute truth regarding foreskins and their removal.

Doctors remove foreskins because the reptilian humanoid aliens that rule earth through the Illuminati find human foreskins to be delicious. Doctors are making a killing selling foreskins to the aliens.

There.

Now shaddap.

[Detective Clem]

you win the tread. Yup.

[Lictor]

Here, here's the absolute truth regarding foreskins and their removal.

Doctors remove foreskins because the reptilian humanoid aliens that rule earth through the Illuminati find human foreskins to be delicious. Doctors are making a killing selling foreskins to the aliens.

There.

Now shaddap.

After a former work colleague gave me a David Ike book to read through(I did force myself to read through most of it). I will be chuckling at this statement for quite a while

[Aeridus]

Abortion isn't life changing either because the baby isn't fully sentient? Meh I say.

Not life changing to the baby, no. At the point that abortions are performed, the fetus is little more than a parasite.

[Lulujayne]

Methinks that those who debate the pros and cons regarding foreskins and AIDS would be better served by using a fecking condom.

Worst date ever:

"Hey baby, don't worry about it, it's ok! I've got/not got a foreskin!"

[Katjapurrs]

have you ever seen the results of a *botched* circumcision? it's not pretty.. trust me... think 90degree bends. purely philosophical and semantic reasons aside there are very real reasons to not have your child circumcimsized

similarly i don't think we should be performing gender assignment at birth on intersexed children unless we have a real scientific way to prove gender in all cases; because sometimes people are wrong and getting them to admit it is like trying to get hitler to admit killing the jews was wrong.

[MNsane]

TEXAS CHAINSAW CIRCUMCISION

[WangyJohn]

Here, here's the absolute truth regarding foreskins and their removal.

Doctors remove foreskins because the reptilian humanoid aliens that rule earth through the Illuminati find human foreskins to be delicious. Doctors are making a killing selling foreskins to the aliens.

There.

Now shaddap.

Not true. Jews can turn foreskin into gold. That's why they're so rich.

[PopeMac]

That explains everything!

[Churba]

have you ever seen the results of a *botched* circumcision? it's not pretty.. trust me... think 90degree bends. purely philosophical and semantic reasons aside there are very real reasons to not have your child circumcimsized

similarly i don't think we should be performing gender assignment at birth on intersexed children unless we have a real scientific way to prove gender in all cases; because sometimes people are wrong and getting them to admit it is like trying to get hitler to admit killing the jews was wrong.

There have even been cases of botched circumcisions down here that were so severe, the doctors decided to perform gender re-assignment on the infants in question.

[Aquastorm]

Excerpt taken from book "Why do men have nipples?"

"The debate over circumcision has been going back and forth for years. Some American medical experts believe that all newborn males should be circumcised. The side in favor cites the decreased rate of urinary tract infections and STDs among circumcised men, and the other emphasizes the pain and stress inflicted on the baby during circumcision. Others believe that the benefits of circumcision are not great enough to justify the possible complications of the procedure. In 1999, the American Academy of Pediatrics Task Force on Circumcision found potential medical benefits of circumcision, but decided that the evidence was not strong enough to recommend routine circumcision. But more important, back to sex.
There are several studies found in urology literature that look at the effects of circumcision on male sexual satisfaction. These studies found conflicting answers.
The effect of male circumcision on the sexual enjoyment of the female partner was also examined in a study in the British Journal of Urology. The authors concluded that "women preferred vaginal intercourse with an anatomically complete penis. Interestingly, the authors of the study also wrote and published a book entitled Sex As Nature Intended It. They also recruited some of their volunteers from the study from an announcement in an anti circumcision newspaper. We mention this not as circumcised males but as impartial interpreters of the medical literature.

Some facts on circumcision:
The 12th-century physician and rabbi Moses Maimonides advocated male circumcision for its ability to curb a man's sexual appetite.

Male circumcision was introduced into English-Speaking countries in the late 1800s as a method of treating and preventing masturbation.

Male Circumcision, the most commonly performed surgery in the US, removes 33-50 percent of the penile skin, as well as nearly all of the penile fine-touch neuroreceptors."

[Lulujayne]

Some facts on circumcision:
The 12th-century physician and rabbi Moses Maimonides advocated male circumcision for its ability to curb a man's sexual appetite.

Male circumcision was introduced into English-Speaking countries in the late 1800s as a method of treating and preventing masturbation.

They may well be facts, but it doesn't make them logical arguments for or against circumcision.

12th century medicine (and the medieval period in general) was a scary thing. With germ-theory hundreds of years away, and the prevailing belief that the body's well being relied on the balance of the four humours (blood, phlegm, yellow bile, and black bile.) Surgery was a brutal prospect, and very much a last resort for any doctor. Blood-letting, however, was all the rage, yet the circulatory system was still undiscovered. Moses Maimonides may have been advocating circumcision for what he thought were all the right reasons, but his empirical proof most likely came from a place insane (by today's medical standards anyway.)

I'm not even going to get started on the insanity that was personal health in the Victorian era... Only because I'm a bit macabre and would probably rant on and on

Anyways, just for a bit of fun, here's a 12th century medical diagram illustrating what ailments an average doctor could be expected to deal with over the course of his career -



If I was alive in the middle ages, just walking out the front door would be enough to curb my sexual appetite.

Told you I was a bit macabre...

[Squidflakes]

Yes yes, circumcised men are horrible in bed with no sensation in their shrunken, misshaped dicks. Its a little known fact that every evil man in history was circumcised. Nero, Hitler, Stalin, Walt Disney, all had their foreskin removed, and as EVERYONE knows, the male foreskin is the portion of the body from which all intelligence, goodness, wisdom, and appreciation for the finer things stems. Its also well known that every good and important man in history had more foreskin than any other type of skin on his body.

HOORAY FOR FORESKIN! SAVIOR OF MANKIND!

[Lulujayne]

Also, if you sew a cloak out of foreskins you gain the power of invisibility.



(and the ladies like it too.)

[Churba]

Also, if you sew a cloak out of foreskins you gain the power of invisibility.



(and the ladies like it too.)

And plus, if you stroke it, it turns into a rather handsome set of bedsheets.

[Lulujayne]

mmmmmm, foreskin-o-licious!

[WangyJohn]

And jews can turn it into gold, don't you forget it!

[P-Frank]

There have even been cases of botched circumcisions down here that were so severe, the doctors decided to perform gender re-assignment on the infants in question.

Dick cutting is not awesome.

Those little baby strap in stations for circumcision are terrifying too. I have no idea why my parents had some doctor do that to my dick. Though I probably don't climax as fast because of it (thanks for cutting off the nerve endings). I mean if I went any quicker I'd be worried.

So glad I'm not a two pump chump.

[Antharas]

Well to bring back a 15 day old argument...

I bring this back up mostly because I think people might get a good laugh out of my time in... I guess middle school. Back when they were teaching us all about this kind of stuff, they mentioned the diffrence between cut and uncut guys. however they never showed a picture or described what the foreskin was. So I spent quite a long time not knowing if I was cut or uncut.

Yes thats right, in middle school, I had no idea, WAY to embarassed to ask my parents, or read up on it. Back then my knowledge of porn was pretty much limited to whitehouse.com so I had nothing to compare it to.

In fact, I wasn't completely SURE untill years later that I was in fact cut. years of wondering that is kinda weird. with my very limited knowledge (they once mentioned it on ER, where the mom had it done without the dad's permission, and all i learned there was that women preferred it)

So yeah, everyone can laugh that I had no idea about my own penis untill slightly into highschool. and even then it was simply from my expanding access to porn (and cable internet)

I've learned a lot from thise thread. I thought the practice of circumcision was becoming more popular, not less. and that some people are very against it.

In fact, I find uncut guys... unattractive. I assume thats because I'm used to myself, but I simply don't like the look, and find cut guys far more appealing.

However other people here seem FAR better informed than I am, so my view is completley prefrence, and not a logical conclusion based on the pros and cons.

Also, those baby strap in stations arn't just for circumcision, I was strapped to one as a child when I gashed open my head and needed stiches.

And, sorry for bringing back a dead topic.