Circumcision.

Spiral Zer0 · Post by **Spiral Zer0** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 12:40 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLdjF1Qz4g8

Aeridus · Post by **Aeridus** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 1:22 pm

Foreskin = don't need lube when masturbating.

Though I guess some circumcised people don't use lube/lotion either...

*shrugs*

Anyway, if the doctor were coming at me with a knife when I was a baby ready to chop off part of my manhood, I'd leap to my feet and kick that damn thign out of his hands.

Meh... I'm just very touchy about life-changing things done to people who aren't even conscious of what's happening.

Squidflakes · Post by **Squidflakes** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:12 pm

aeridus wrote:Foreskin = don't need lube when masturbating.

I don't need lube either, and I've been circumcised.

Meh... I'm just very touchy about life-changing things done to people who aren't even conscious of what's happening.

How exactly does that make if life changing? If you aren't even sapient yet, its kind of hard to have a life.

Swordsman3003 · Post by **Swordsman3003** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:36 pm

It is still life changing. If you chop off a baby's arms and legs, it's life (or life potential, I guess) will be STARKLY DIFFERENT than before you did it.

Squidflakes · Post by **Squidflakes** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:58 pm

swordsman3003 wrote:It is still life changing. If you chop off a baby's arms and legs, it's life (or life potential, I guess) will be STARKLY DIFFERENT than before you did it.

The little flap of skin at the end of your dick ain't nothing like your arms or your legs boy. Nothing.

And I can promise you that my cock is a beautiful, magnificent, mighty rod that gets the job done every time. Foreskin be dammed.

Swordsman3003 · Post by **Swordsman3003** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 3:10 pm

All I was saying is that you are being an idiot to say that you are the keeper of what is life changing and what is not.

Squidflakes · Post by **Squidflakes** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 3:29 pm

swordsman3003 wrote:All I was saying is that you are being an idiot to say that you are the keeper of what is life changing and what is not.

Most circumcision is done at the very beginning of life. Thus, saying something is life-changing would almost require you to have experience with things one way, then they change, and now your experience is different.

Course, I could say that you are being the idiot, equating a whole limb to a scrap of skin, or stating that a medical procedure is the same as child rape.
However, this discussion we're having is over a non-issue. Its opinion. We all had the decision made for us, and some of us will make that decision for others, and that's how's its been since time immemorial. Because of that, I'm not about to disparage your opinion on the subject, only your argument tactics.

To put it another way, this thread is starting to sound a lot like a religious disagreement.

PopeMac · Post by **PopeMac** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 4:17 pm

Religious disagreement!? Perhaps the Pope should step in!

Actually, I don't really care one way or the other. Both sides have valid arguments, and I really can't think of anything to contribute to this discussion.

Wilmo · Post by **Wilmo** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 4:31 pm

I dont think I'll have it done to my kids; not because I'm against it, but because I think its unnecessary... so, feh.

Aeridus · Post by **Aeridus** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 7:29 pm

Abortion isn't life changing either because the baby isn't fully sentient? Meh I say.

Ce6 · Post by **Ce6** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 8:42 pm

Leeloo wrote:
ce6 wrote:guards against a potential problem that might never occur (in this case, cervical cancer).
Read the article linked further up in the thread. You are repeating one of the fully debunked claims that quacks (I refuse to call them doctors) use to scare parents into getting the procedure doneto their babies.

Holy missing the point and taking things out of context, Batman!

HPV vaccine is given to girls in order to guard against cervical cancer.

Circumcision is done so boys don't look like anteaters.

Both are controversial to some people, completely mundane to others.
Guess which one religious fanatics often demonize as leading to promiscuity?

If everyone would just masturbate regularly and never have sex with anyone else, both procedures would be total non-issues.
Yet given the fucked-up mentality of my country, good luck getting anyone to agree with that line of thinking.

swordsman3003 wrote:What? Why do you think circumcision is the same as the HPV vaccine???

says the boy who wants to amputate babies.
It's called an analogy. A literary device used to compare non-identical things.
From my personal point of view, I thought comparing one minorly inconveniencing controlled medical procedure to another minorly controversial controlled medical procedure was better than using the blade-wielding actions done by a fanatic for control purposes.
And I thought you were the smart one.

Swordsman3003 · Post by **Swordsman3003** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 9:29 pm

I just don't understand your point of view. The arguements against the vaccine are completely based on unprovable concepts. They aren't even provable if you accept the bible as factual! And the vaccine has not a single negative effect.

There are logical, reasoned ideas why circumcision is a poor thing to practice on infants.

MistressMaggie · Post by **MistressMaggie** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:04 pm

where exactly are you getting this information that a vaccine has no negative effects?

GARDASIL is given as 3 injections over 6 months and can cause pain, swelling, itching, and redness at the injection site, fever, nausea, and dizziness.

source: http://www.gardasil.com/who-should-rece ... dasil.html

The vaccine-related adverse experiences that were observed in clinical trials among recipients of GARDASIL at a frequency of at least 1.0% and greater than placebo were pain, swelling, erythema, fever, nausea, pruritus, and dizziness.

source: https://www.merckvaccines.com/gardasilP ... frmst.html

A total of 102 subjects out of 21,464 total subjects (9- to 26-year-old girls and women and 9- to 15-
year-old boys) who received both GARDASIL and placebo reported a serious adverse experience on Day
1-15 following any vaccination visit during the clinical trials for GARDASIL. The most frequently reported
serious adverse experiences for GARDASIL compared to placebo and regardless of causality were:
headache (0.03% GARDASIL vs. 0.02% Placebo),
gastroenteritis (0.03% GARDASIL vs. 0.01% Placebo),
appendicitis (0.02% GARDASIL vs. 0.01% Placebo),
pelvic inflammatory disease (0.02% GARDASIL vs. 0.01% Placebo).
One case of bronchospasm and 2 cases of asthma were reported as serious adverse experiences that
occurred during Day 1-15 of any vaccination visit.
Deaths
Across the clinical studies, 17 deaths were reported in 21,464 male and female subjects. The events
reported were consistent with events expected in healthy adolescent and adult populations. The most
common cause of death was motor vehicle accident (4 subjects who received GARDASIL and 3 placebo
subjects), followed by overdose/suicide (1 subject who received GARDASIL and 2 subjects who received
placebo), and pulmonary embolus/deep vein thrombosis (1 subject who received GARDASIL and 1
placebo subject). In addition, there were 2 cases of sepsis, 1 case of pancreatic cancer, and 1 case of
arrhythmia in the group that received GARDASIL, and 1 case of asphyxia in the placebo group.

Source:http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_cir ... sil_pi.pdf

Personally, I think that those could be considered negative effects, and that doesn't even cover the possibility of an allergic reaction.

Swordsman3003 · Post by **Swordsman3003** » Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:09 pm

good point

Churba · Post by **Churba** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:14 am

I was there when my Godson got circumcised(Side story - I've got three godchildren, two girls and a boy) and Hands down, it is the most horiffic thing I have ever seen. And believe me, I've seen some Crazy horrific shit.

Major Maxillary · Post by **Major Maxillary** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:21 am

PopeMac wrote:Religious disagreement!? Perhaps the Pope should step in!

We don't need Rome telling us what to do!

Squidflakes · Post by **Squidflakes** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 9:50 am

aeridus wrote:Abortion isn't life changing either because the baby isn't fully sentient? Meh I say.

Not life changing to the baby, no. At the point that abortions are performed, the fetus is little more than a parasite.

Squidflakes · Post by **Squidflakes** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 9:52 am

ce6 wrote:
Circumcision is done so boys don't look like anteaters.

Hahahahaahahahaha.. christ.

That needs to be a macro. "Pants Anteater sez: I'm in yer pantz, lookin' like yer cawk!"

Wilmo · Post by **Wilmo** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:21 pm

that explains why my school's mascot is Peter the anteater.

keke

Leeloo · Post by **Leeloo** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:53 pm

ce6 wrote:HPV vaccine is given to girls in order to guard against cervical cancer.

Circumcision is done so boys don't look like anteaters.

In that case I don't see how you can compare those two. The word "analogy" was what made me think you meant that circumcission guards against cervical cancer, especially as exactly that has been claimed by doctors to trick parents into getting the procedure done to their children.