Tom Mazanec wrote:Well, I am a Republican and favored the invasion, and even I admit we are not "winning" by any sane definition of the word. We basically replaced a tyrant with a civil war.
Tom Mazanec wrote:I know this forum gets a lot of political views. So how do we win in Iraq? Here is is country with three groups who hate each other, at least two of which (I don't know about the Kurds) follow a religion whose holy book is rife with hatred for those non-Muslim (I know Ralph can back me up on this). So what do we do? We cannot isolate ourselves from the world like the Racconans (and even they are facing the fact that theirs is a temporary solution) so that option is out.
We've already put in the conditions for ultimate victory in Iraq. Now we've just got to keep the lid on while those who need killing get killed and ensure that the people of Iraq get a chance to affirm or replace their current crop of politicians for another 2 or 3 rounds of elections. I was born in, and follow the politics of, Romania. After their first election, the president thought it was ok to organize miners with rebar in their hands to run wild in the streets of the capital. After 5 elections the place has improved a great deal and it's going to be an EU member come January and is honorably serving in both Iraq and Afghanistan as a good friend of the US and a NATO member. Iraq will likely follow a similar trajectory and if we don't punk out whoever is president of the US in 2020 will likely have a good friend in Baghdad.
Removing Saddam was a big bang. It will take time to clear the rubble.
Merry wrote:Well, you cant win. You couldnt win from the start.
BrockthePaine wrote:Merry wrote:Well, you cant win. You couldnt win from the start.
The way I see it, there are three ways to end this conflict between Muslims and the West:
1. Kill/convert all the Muslims to something else.
2. kill/convert all the Westerners and Muslim moderates.
3. Support the moderates to control their religion, and hope they can reform it.
1 is not morally acceptable. 2 is not an option either. 3 doesn't seem to work very well. The militant Muslims refuse to coexist with us. Hence, until one side gives up, there will be conflict.
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