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Postby Legendary on Mon Jul 02, 2007 6:59 pm

psst...guys... Secret black text beneath today's rant!
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Postby Legendary on Tue Jul 03, 2007 4:14 pm

Yeah, so I'm going to be out of town with no Internet access, so in case CG has more technical hiccups, I'm just going to post Wednesday's comic today.

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Postby Rixaxun on Tue Jul 03, 2007 10:27 pm

This is the, what, fourth one of these jokes so far? The first one was good, but the rest... meh.
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Postby TheKOT on Wed Jul 04, 2007 6:21 am

The underlying joke was pretty funny, but the delivery needed a bit of polishing. Something wittier than "Seriously, use it." would have been nice.
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Postby General_Nerd on Sat Jul 07, 2007 5:21 am

Responding to today's comic.

He has a point. Bruce Wayne's money would probably be better spent that way.

Also, that link is weird enough to be funny.
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Postby Legendary on Sat Jul 07, 2007 9:36 am

General_Nerd wrote:He has a point. Bruce Wayne's money would probably be better spent that way.


But it would be much less interesting.

"In this issue, Bruce Wayne uses his political clout to replace the head of Arkham Asylum!"
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Postby TheKOT on Sat Jul 07, 2007 11:45 am

Legendary wrote:
General_Nerd wrote:He has a point. Bruce Wayne's money would probably be better spent that way.


But it would be much less interesting.

"In this issue, Bruce Wayne uses his political clout to replace the head of Arkham Asylum!"


"Quick, to the bat-fax!"

Yes, I stole it from Calvin & Hobbes.
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Postby Solitaire on Sun Jul 08, 2007 12:54 pm

Legendary wrote:psst...guys... Secret black text beneath today's rant!


Oh, outstanding. Attacks on a more popular webcomic will make people think that yours is better. It's an accepted fact, in topsy-turvy land, y'know...

Maybe try relying on the comic's merits to get you by?
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P.S. Dominic Deegan is a poorly written sack of poor writing

Postby Legendary on Sun Jul 08, 2007 2:34 pm

Solitaire wrote:
Legendary wrote:psst...guys... Secret black text beneath today's rant!


Oh, outstanding. Attacks on a more popular webcomic will make people think that yours is better. It's an accepted fact, in topsy-turvy land, y'know...


Hey man, I just hate the writing in Dominic Deegan and like laughing at it. My hatred is pure and unsullied by awkward attempts at commercialism.

Solitaire wrote:Maybe try relying on the comic's merits to get you by?


Because putting the offensive comment as a throwaway gag in hidden text implies that I am focused more on hating Dominic Deegan than I am focused on the comic.
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Postby Solitaire on Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:40 pm

Well, there must be something taking focus away from the comic - why else would you be trying to pass off your Order of the Stick clone as better than Deegan?

No, wait, it isn't OotS, it's about console RPGs! Sorry, my mistake, that's completely original. Yeah, you're one of the bad boys of webcomic art, you are.
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Postby Legendary on Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:55 pm

It's not a clone, it's a shoddy knock-off. Shows what you know.
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Postby Solitaire on Mon Jul 09, 2007 12:31 am

Oh, I wouldn't say shoddy - after all, the art manages what it aspires, and looks almost exactly like Rich Burlew's. My problem occurs when I wonder how you're spending all the production time you save through knock-off art. Burlew reinvests it into the writing and dialogue, so where has yours gone?

If you are quite as half-assed as you seem about this comic, then lay off Deegan. There's some old saying here about glass houses...
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Re: Webcomics - serious business.

Postby Legendary on Mon Jul 09, 2007 7:18 am

Solitaire wrote:Oh, I wouldn't say shoddy - after all, the art manages what it aspires, and looks almost exactly like Rich Burlew's. My problem occurs when I wonder how you're spending all the production time you save through knock-off art. Burlew reinvests it into the writing and dialogue, so where has yours gone?


A little thing I call "not making a living off of my comic." Seriously, are you trying to say that I can't make fun of movies because the video presentation I did for history class sucked? Or I couldn't dislike a band because I don't sing well in the shower? Because that's about how seriously I take my comic.

If you are quite as half-assed as you seem about this comic, then lay off Deegan. There's some old saying here about glass houses...


Sometimes I just wake up in the morning and say, "My comic may suck, but at least I've never stolen a joke from Reader's Digest or drawn a panty shot of a dead woman." Then I go to either work or college, depending on what season it is.

Not defending my own comic, I just really hate Dominic Deegan.
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Postby TheKOT on Mon Jul 09, 2007 7:52 am

Ok, to the comics at hand....

Honestly I have been very bored with the free-form comic jam and await the return of the main comic with much zeal. This latest one had its merits, though.

Still, I'm glad you took some time off of it because it HAD grown a bit stale.
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Re: Webcomics - serious business.

Postby Solitaire on Mon Jul 09, 2007 8:56 am

Legendary wrote:A little thing I call "not making a living off of my comic." Seriously, are you trying to say that I can't make fun of movies because the video presentation I did for history class sucked? Or I couldn't dislike a band because I don't sing well in the shower? Because that's about how seriously I take my comic.


It shows. But the thing is - Cinematography: difficult. Singing: difficult.

Stick figure comics? Really easy. Stick figure comics that make fun of console RPGs? Really really easy. I mean, even if you aren't taking it seriously, how much effort does it take to find a new joke on an old subject? Or even a new spin?

So, wow. Someone else tries to excel and falls short of your narrow expectations. You either don't bother to try, or pretend not to be trying because you know what it looks like. So I wonder if the artist of Deegan is quaking in his boots at your negative commentry - or if perhaps he's too busy doing the convention circuit to standing ovations.

Or publishing his comic, to the pleasure of comic book readers the world over.

The boots thing is still possible, though.
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Re: Webcomics - serious business.

Postby TheKOT on Mon Jul 09, 2007 7:20 pm

Solitaire wrote:
Legendary wrote:A little thing I call "not making a living off of my comic." Seriously, are you trying to say that I can't make fun of movies because the video presentation I did for history class sucked? Or I couldn't dislike a band because I don't sing well in the shower? Because that's about how seriously I take my comic.


It shows. But the thing is - Cinematography: difficult. Singing: difficult.

Stick figure comics? Really easy. Stick figure comics that make fun of console RPGs? Really really easy. I mean, even if you aren't taking it seriously, how much effort does it take to find a new joke on an old subject? Or even a new spin?

So, wow. Someone else tries to excel and falls short of your narrow expectations. You either don't bother to try, or pretend not to be trying because you know what it looks like. So I wonder if the artist of Deegan is quaking in his boots at your negative commentry - or if perhaps he's too busy doing the convention circuit to standing ovations.

Or publishing his comic, to the pleasure of comic book readers the world over.

The boots thing is still possible, though.

Come on man, you registered on the forums of an obscure comic you don't even like simply for the purpose of defending a comic you do like against a joke placed invisibly under an update.

Do you really need to police the world of all those who have different tastes than you? I understand that he was criticizing the storytelling but what's it to you, anyway?
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Postby Eternal Kanus on Mon Jul 09, 2007 7:40 pm

If he's so terrible because he makes a stick-figure comic about console RPGs, does that make me lower than scum for stealing jokes from him when I half-assed a short story making fun of console RPGs?

But seriously, he can make fun of whatever other comics he wants. Don't like it? Make your own stick figure comic making fun of his. You're entitled to the same rights.
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Postby Eternal Kanus on Mon Jul 09, 2007 7:50 pm

Secret wrote:
Eternal Kanus wrote:If he's so terrible because he makes a stick-figure comic about console RPGs, does that make me lower than scum for stealing jokes from him when I half-assed a short story making fun of console RPGs?


And redundant, too!

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Postby Waf on Mon Jul 09, 2007 9:58 pm

But can Solitaire be critical of Ledo being critical of Mookie without first proving he is better at being critical than Rich Burlew? It's just the internet, don't get your panties in a wad over who was mean to who.
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Re: Webcomics - serious business.

Postby Solitaire on Tue Jul 10, 2007 3:52 am

theKOT wrote:Do you really need to police the world of all those who have different tastes than you? I understand that he was criticizing the storytelling but what's it to you, anyway?


I'm not annoyed by the fact that his tastes differ from mine - I'm not even that into Deegan. And I do read Legendary, because it's free and it makes me feel better about the fact that I don't have a webcomic of my own.

But what annoys me about Legendary's vendetta against Deegan is the hypocrisy of it. You don't like DominicDeegan because it's out of character? Set aside the fact that the comic isn't a fanfic and is therefore never out of character, let's talk about your own characters. Can Carnahan ever act out of character, considering that he doesn't actually have one? Seriously what is he supposed to be? Stoic? Cynic? The cool one? The cute one? What? And on the subject of shallow characterisations, what was up with this? Oops, I have to show they're friends! Now where did I leave my hammer of subtlety?

And don't try and tell me I have no right to take it up with Legendary - this is an open forum, that's what it's here for. At least I'm not badmouthing his comic to an unrelated audience who haven't even read it yet...
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