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i don't know what the major is:the leader of an undead army, but how?
is he a vampire or a werewolf?
it doesn't seem so , but he doesnt grew old with time
he has no special power, is small, and doesn't know how to shoot, even with the best "specialdoc" weapons :roll:
so he could indeed be a kind of mary-sue, if i understood well

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Go to this link and it will explain what the Major is in Chapter 83.

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mrrout wrote:thank you very much for the wikipedia link
i'm afraid i created mary-sues myself when i was adolescent!! :oops:
Ah, it's a hallmark of adolescent fanfic writing. Most of us grow out of it, and then bury those crappy fics underneath the landfill where all the Atari 2600 ETs are. 8-)
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mrrout wrote:i don't know what the major is:the leader of an undead army, but how?
is he a vampire or a werewolf?
it doesn't seem so , but he doesnt grew old with time
he has no special power, is small, and doesn't know how to shoot, even with the best "specialdoc" weapons :roll:
so he could indeed be a kind of mary-sue, if i understood well
I've actually wondered about that myself often. And Frey: could you be so kind as to explain Chapter 83? or anyone else who understands it? I don't know if it's just me or what but I have no idea what to make of the stuff they're saying about Major.
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Spoiler Warning:

The Major is human. The position that he lies in with blood rushing towards him is similiar to the one Alucard was in hundreds of years ago. Alucard chose to be a vampire and become immortal while the Major refused; wanting the keep his soul and humanity as his own. It is still unknown why the Major has not aged. Chapter 84 also reveals what makes Alucard his foe.
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Romanticide wrote:I'm sure the major is the mary-sue of Hirano though... and probably the best damn created mary-sue ever XD
What exactly makes the Major a Mary Sue?

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Aw, poor Seras, still trying to be human. :wink:
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I know this is late, but I haven't been on the comp all week and I forgot to put it last time..

In the anniversary comic, the american flag is hung wrong. The blue feild should be on the left...

*cough* sorry, its been bugging me.
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Chaos Priest wrote:
Romanticide wrote:I'm sure the major is the mary-sue of Hirano though... and probably the best damn created mary-sue ever XD
What exactly makes the Major a Mary Sue?
Have you ever seen a picture of Hirano? The major looks to me like a manga version of Hirano... only in German XD
Also the guy has an army at his disposition who would die if he gives the order, that is a like fangirl/boy wetdream.
Dunno... I just have this crazy theories sometimes XD

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Romanticide wrote:Have you ever seen a picture of Hirano? The major looks to me like a manga version of Hirano... only in German XD
A self insert character is not necessarily a Mary Sue. Most of the time it is, but not all of the time. A self insert alone does not qualify a character; there have to be other traits.
Also the guy has an army at his disposition who would die if he gives the order, that is a like fangirl/boy wetdream.
Most army commanders could give an order that would get their troops killed. A whole lot of them HAVE given such orders. It's not all that unbelievable. Besides, what makes you think they would die if he told them to? His troops thought they were literally immortal. That's how he was able to get so many agents in necessary places in the first place. His army thought it was going to be a completely one-sided slaughter against a bunch of weak humans, and afterwards they would get to enjoy eternity as No Life Kings. That seems a far cry to me away from being willing to die at his command.
Dunno... I just have this crazy theories sometimes XD
Oh, of course. In case you haven’t noticed from my own posts I definitely enjoy making crazy theories :D But it's nowhere near as fun unless you can also have pointless debates about said theories.

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Romanticide wrote:Have you ever seen a picture of Hirano? The major looks to me like a manga version of Hirano... only in German XD
I've seen Hirano in person, and I don't see the resemblance at all.

They're both chubby, but that's about it.

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SailorPtah wrote:
Romanticide wrote:Have you ever seen a picture of Hirano? The major looks to me like a manga version of Hirano... only in German XD
I've seen Hirano in person, and I don't see the resemblance at all.

They're both chubby, but that's about it.
Yeah, I'm going to take a shot in the dark and say Hirano's neither blond nor European-looking.
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two things to say today.....
poor Seras...let me give you a hug


and

EWWWWW MUSHROOMS...BURN!!!! DIE!!!!! EWWWW!!!!! i hate you
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Well, I think the perfect evidence of the Major as a Mary Sue is that both he and Hirano LOVE to send characters to their deaths. Hirano is the only artist I know of that enjoys killing his characters, even the good guys.
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atticus_blackwolf wrote:two things to say today.....
poor Seras...let me give you a hug


and

EWWWWW MUSHROOMS...BURN!!!! DIE!!!!! EWWWW!!!!! i hate you
Don't know what you're talking about, mushrooms are awesome. :D
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open_sketchbook wrote:Well, I think the perfect evidence of the Major as a Mary Sue is that both he and Hirano LOVE to send characters to their deaths. Hirano is the only artist I know of that enjoys killing his characters, even the good guys.
Again, just because a character is a self insert does not make them a Mary Sue. Besides, from what Erin said I doubt that the Major is a self insert anyway. The appearance is apparently pretty different, and your idea of "they like sending characters to their death" does not have much in the way of evidence. From as far as I've read in the manga (volume 7) the most important good guy to bite the big one thus far has been Pip, and while I like the guy he still takes a back seat to Seras, Integra, and Alucard. Sure, quite a few minor good guys have died and no shortage of civilians and villains have been killed, but that’s what civilians and villains do in highly violent stories such as Hellsing. They die by the truckload.

Oh, and mushrooms are nasty :ick:
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Chaos Priest wrote:
Oh, and mushrooms are nasty :ick:
Yayyy someone who agrees with me *heart*
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You made a strip based on one of my silly threads? And you used one of my really lame ideas in that comic?

SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET!

Thank you, Erin-sama! XD
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I was laughing out loud....I woke up my mom and she asked me what was wrong. She wouldn't get the joke.

This will probly bring more attention to the forums..particually the Make a Card thread....still laughing, still get angry looks from mom


EDIT:She whent back to bed
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atticus_blackwolf wrote:This will probly bring more attention to the forums..particually the Make a Card thread....
That's my hope!

Personally, I find the different Cards very entertaining (and it never hurts to have someone else's ideas to fall back on for a Sunday) ^_^

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