Future noir

Postby Somebody Strange on Thu Jun 14, 2001 12:53 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tabias:
<B>Any other additions to this sub-genre? Be it a book, movie, game, etc., I'm open. I'm also frankly too lazy to activly investigate it myself. :0)
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Well, it's debatable, but a lot of William Gibson's work could conceivably fall into this category. Maybe his stuff wouldn't <i>quite</i> fit the standard definition of noir (or future noir), but the Virtual Light trilogy (Virtual Light, Idoru, and All Tomorrow's Parties) is at least close.<P>--Strange/Dave
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Postby Tabias on Thu Jun 14, 2001 10:46 am

I figure this is the place to start this topic...<P>I love noir in all its shapes and styles, but I'm intrigued by future noir... Odd Jobs fitting in that category. But frankly, all I've been able to dig up in that genre is Blade Runner and the novel Gun, With Occasional Music. (If you haven't Read GWOM, I suggest it strongly... Excellent noir, and <a href="http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0312858787.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg">one of my favorite book covers in the world</a>.)<P>Any other additions to this sub-genre? Be it a book, movie, game, etc., I'm open. I'm also frankly too lazy to activly investigate it myself. :0)<P>------------------
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Postby Tim Broderick on Mon Jun 18, 2001 4:10 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tabias:
<B>I figure this is the place to start this topic...<P>I love noir in all its shapes and styles, but I'm intrigued by future noir... Odd Jobs fitting in that category. But frankly, all I've been able to dig up in that genre is Blade Runner and the novel Gun, With Occasional Music. (If you haven't Read GWOM, I suggest it strongly... Excellent noir, and <a href="http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0312858787.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg">one of my favorite book covers in the world</a>.)<P>Any other additions to this sub-genre? Be it a book, movie, game, etc., I'm open. I'm also frankly too lazy to activly investigate it myself. :0)<P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Hmm. Two quick thoughts: Dark City and Gattaca. Both are stylish mysteries with strong noir elements.<P><P>------------------
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Postby Russ on Tue Jun 19, 2001 10:03 am

Probably not quite what you're looking for, but there are a couple different paper comic series that combine police procedural and superhero: Bendis's "Powers" is somewhat noir-ish, and Alan Moore's "Top 10" is more police procedural and wacky (but I think better written than Powers). Both feature police detectives in worlds where superheroes are fairly common (Powers) or ubiquitious (Top 10), so if you stretch it, that's sf, which is futuristic... <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/smile.gif"><P>------------------
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Postby Tabias on Wed Jun 20, 2001 6:32 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by russ:
<B>Bendis's "Powers" is somewhat noir-ish</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Oh lord, it's because of Mr. Bendis that I'm horrendously broke right now. :0) I've spent all my money buying Jinx, Fortune and Glory, Torso, Fire, the Powers PB (and before that, all of the monthlies...)... I still need to get Goldfish. Forget the fact that the man breathes noir: his dialogue is just the best in comics.<P>As a matter o' fact, I currently have all of my books of his lent out to various comrades for thier reading pleasure. I'll make converts of 'em yet. Suggested reading for everyone.<P>------------------
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Postby Tim Broderick on Thu Jun 21, 2001 3:44 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tabias:
<B> Oh lord, it's because of Mr. Bendis that I'm horrendously broke right now. :0) I've spent all my money buying Jinx, Fortune and Glory, Torso, Fire, the Powers PB (and before that, all of the monthlies...)... I still need to get Goldfish. Forget the fact that the man breathes noir: his dialogue is just the best in comics.<P>As a matter o' fact, I currently have all of my books of his lent out to various comrades for thier reading pleasure. I'll make converts of 'em yet. Suggested reading for everyone.<P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>
Uh oh. I've seen a cover or two and thought that's what Powers was about. Mechanics in Love and Rockets lived in a world of superheroes (many of whom were wrestlers) and it was terrific.<P>I'm intriqued. I just don't spend money on comics, but now I'll have to go pick up a copy.<P>
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Postby Russ on Thu Jun 21, 2001 9:40 am

I enjoyed Powers (the trade paperback) ok, but found the ending unsatisfying -- it felt unintentionally enigmatic. (I talked with Remi about it and he felt the same way.) Also I find Bendis's proofreading to be surprisingly crappy -- lots of distracting typos. And his long spiraling cascades of speech balloons... ehhh. Still, it was worth checking out.... I just liked Moore's Top Ten a lot more. But then I'm a huge Moore fan.<P>I enjoyed Fortune and Glory more. (That's not noir at all, it's funny autobio about his experiences dealing with Hollywood people interested in filming his comics.)<P>------------------
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