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New favorite character poll

PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:46 pm
by Miruku
Because the old one was from, like, page 50 or something..and now it's, like, page 145, and doesn't have a couple of characters. Leaving the other one up because I got lots of informative responses on it.

I'd be extremely intrigued if anyone chose Marissa or Jeremiah, but I figured I should put them down anyway. And, of course, the cat stays on the list. He's very important. I've heard theories!

Mostly, I figured Brody should be on there.

Anyway, leave an opinion if you want.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 10:11 am
by Miruku
Nice. One vote for the cat.

PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 11:37 pm
by Thisberichard
It's a lot harder to choose now.

I've really taken to Will, and while she faltered in my book for a while, Emma's reclaimed her former position and advanced it.
I even like Theo now, thanks in large part to the girly porn issue. ^_^
And Brody... hrmf.

I'm going with Will, but it's a -narrow- win.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 7:06 am
by Miruku
Ah, Will. He's grown so much from his plot device purposes.
Emma faltering from the crown of glory, hmmm? Did she do anything in particular to temporarily lose your favor? She IS kind of a bitch sometimes, I gotta say.

Does "hrmpf" mean something along the lines of "pshaw" or "whatever"? He's very popular with the ladies, you know.
It's kind of weird how we all flock to scruffy middle aged men...that's why "House" is so popular!

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 7:23 am
by Thisberichard
There wasn't anything in particular that Emma did, I don't think... it was mostly that, for a while, she'd gotten a little dull. Too predictable, maybe. But she's better now, as I said, even than she'd been before.
I have no problem with her bitchitude whatsoever.

And the "hrmf" was a "hrmf" of thought and consideration. Though I can see how it might have seemed otherwise.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 9:40 am
by Miruku
Alrighty. Good to know.
Out of curiosity, as you seem to have somewhat strong feelings on the subject, any particular reason you generally dislike Theo?

Your opinions are fascinating me at the moment, as you actually have some...also, I don't want to do my homework and would like to continue wasting time on my computer.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 10:41 am
by Thisberichard
Avoidance and procrastination are my two most common pastimes.

I don't hugely dislike Theo. Not so much anymore, at any rate. But I dislike him as a romantic interest, at least. Before the romance novel thing, he seemed like a sort of self-centered emo kid, really. I mean, exceptions made for friends, but usually overexpectant and without a whole lot of depth more than his generally negative attitude.

Now, there's nothing wrong with a disagreeable character, especially if it's something they're meant to grow out of. I think the main point is that it seemed like there was nothing -more- to him.

And that's mitigated, I think, to a degree by the romance novel thing. It says something about him beyond the way he behaves around other people. About who he is in private. We get that sort of automatically with other characters (like Will) whose attitude towards others conveys a lot more about them.

I used to look at Theo like I looked at Kaoru from Kenshin:
"Why do they keep using her? There is no depth of character. She exists almost entirely as a foil for others, but they keep trying to make her an important character. I wish they'd cut that out."
Now, it wasn't entirely like that -- Theo -did- have a personality, after all -- but it was similar. The difference is even greater now, since you've given the character some depth.

But I still dislike Theo for Emma, even with that new depth.
It's not really about the way their personalities clash -- though that might be a small issue, I don't know -- but it's mostly about the fact that they don't really bring anything new out of each other. They generally act the same way with or without the other. I mean, when they meet it affects how they feel about the other, but it doesn't really change their approach to things. They don't affect each other on a deeper level.

I'm not going to say "Will and Emma should hook up!" but I'll look at them just for the comparison.
Will's general mood and behavior doesn't change a whole lot around Emma. Certainly not as much as Theo's. But there's something more subtle, with greater depth. You can feel the relationship driving them to evolve, just a little. Even as their attitudes toward the other stay the same, their attitudes towards the rest of the world change ever so slightly.

A good relationship, in a story, is one that does more for the characters than change or determine the relationship between the characters. And while that's not exclusive to romance, it's more important there than in other places.

That's not to say that a relationship can't stand alone, but it needs to be particularly compelling and not somethning meant to make readers think about where the story is going. It can't be vital to the story, because it's something of a non sequitor. Maybe an -awesome- non sequitor, but it doesn't really work work as a central piece of the story.

Right. So this (really wordy) explanation isn't a good one, and I'm not satisfied with it. But it's the best I can do right now. If it sounds stupid, I apologize -- I assure you it doesn't convey my feelings and their reasons very well. If it sounds really smart, that's still worth noting, I think.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 2:48 pm
by Miruku
Holy crap! I think you might have put more thought into this than I have.
Curse you for making me rethink things!
You are right, though, not much has happened in regards to Theo's character so far. That is intended for part 2 (starting after chapter 8, which I've almost, let's say page....180...ish?). But now I'm thinking about it, though I've intended to wait to flesh him out until after Emma is a fairly solid character, I haven't really thought about Theo's character in a while and I don't really know how to portray him well.

A sudden realization; he is so much like me, that I haven't bothered to think about his character because I know it so well...which leads to the accidental assumption that everyone else gets him like I do. Like, I'm kind of a grumpy jerk unless I'm trying really hard or I'm around people I'm comfortable with, and that's pretty much exactly what he does (this was an accidental likeness, btw).

The relationship issue is something I've never thought about. I've never been in a romantic relationship, and I kind of think like a guy in regards to other peoples' relationships (ie if you like them, you like them, if you want to be/stay with them and there are no obstacles barring your path, then please do and stop whining about how you're not sure if they're "the one"). I guess the only romantic relationships I'm around a lot are my roommate and her boyfriend, and my parents. Both pairs being a little odd and mismatched, but generally awesome.

So now I'm rethinking things, because of what you said. I'm glad, though. This is why I never let myself set anything in stone more than a chapter ahead. Just outlines. Outlines can be changed or elaborated upon.

And this is why I love feedback! Yay!

Most of that also probably didn't make much sense, but I just had to watch a bunch of ballet mind has been numbed.

EDIT: Ooh! I knew I forgot something; I was gonna say, as a comparison, (if you watch Lost...) that the relationships between the three (not the characters, of course) are like Jack, Kate, and Sawyer. Kate has feelings for both of them, but with Jack it's more because she knows he's a good man, while with Sawyer it's because she's just naturally drawn to him.
It doesn't fit exactly, but that's what it made me think of.

PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 1:52 am
by Corkydork
I generally like Theo most, I mostly like jerky characters, they just bring a dopey grin to my face.

Though for some reason I do have a slight dislike for Emma, not a "holy crap DIE!" burning hatred just a little "Oh it's you." which pops up every so often.

I have to say I don't mind who ends up splunking who, I get warm and fuzzy inside whenever anyone ends up together.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 3:52 pm
by Aureolus
Keslar, because i just love the feline that comforts the main character x3

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