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Postby Mercury Hat on Mon Oct 16, 2006 8:45 am

Swikan wrote:Mercury Hat: I am writing down the name of that book you were referencing above. I have problems with that too.

It's good in laying out muscles and proportions and all, but it's not really for copying out of. The diagrams are all of super-ripped men so you can see the muscles easily, but you wouldn't see most of this stuff in an average person. I'd say flip through it at the store before deciding to buy.
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Postby Swikan on Mon Oct 16, 2006 8:50 am

When I was a teen I had a book called "How to Draw Comics the Marvel Way"... I found that very helpful when doodling in mathclass. I wish I had it now!
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Postby Linkara on Mon Oct 16, 2006 8:50 am

As it happens, Swikan, I have a copy of that book. ^_~
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Postby Swikan on Mon Oct 16, 2006 8:56 am

No way! I looked for a copy of that when I decided to do Life's a Witch. All I could find was "How to Draw Manga" which I bought for my son.
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Postby Linkara on Mon Oct 16, 2006 8:59 am

The "How to draw Manga" stuff is pretty popular. ^_~ The Marvel one I found in my Uncle's garage along with a bunch of old comics of his.
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Postby Noise Monkey on Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:25 am

Linkara wrote:As it happens, Swikan, I have a copy of that book. ^_~


I had two (bought one, got the other as a gift a couple months later). Unfortunately, I'm not sure where either went... :cry:
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Postby Tynan on Mon Oct 16, 2006 11:12 am

I hear what Merc says about the muscles of an average person but looking at those muscles on the super ripped individuals helps to understand how they stretch and skew across the body.

If you want to study muscles I suggest picking up a muscle mag like a good one I have one from way back that in all honesty *and it should be aparant* I didn't study, I just bought for the cover that was total gold. On the cover it shows this competitor in a weightlifting competition making the worst face in the world *he actually popped his arm out of place*"It was clear to the audience he made a HUGE tactical error"
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Postby McDuffies on Mon Oct 16, 2006 11:37 am

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Maria and Michelle did that to Mooman. And... everyone else.

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Kisai wrote:Partially inspired by how MnM draw chibi's, should be easy to identify who is who.

EDIT: Drawn only on the tablet, I'm trying to learn to draw on the tablet.

:D *adds to a folder of mcDuffies drawn by different people*

Alright, just a few observations. Basically, he's too elongated. I used to have the same problem, but people are actually more squat and stumpy than we seem to think. For practise, do what I did, and just draw an individual body part in detail over and over, eg, you hand. I mean DETAIL. Trust me it helps. As for posture/height, even just using stick figures that have joins and shoulders and hips helps.

Actually, it's pretty obvious even that DAMG doesn't know what's under that coat. The coat is just a tube as he drew it, but in reality there's a human body under it, giving it a very irregular shape.
He should've approached it by drawing a body under the coat, and then laying a coat over it. With proper anatomy of that body, he would eliminate a few problems, like leaning to front of the whole figure getting too thin lower to the feet, as oposed to wide in the shoulder area.

When I was a teen I had a book called "How to Draw Comics the Marvel Way"... I found that very helpful when doodling in mathclass. I wish I had it now!

All I learned from that book was that some people who are not me can draw figures by starting off with a series of tubes (humans = internet?). The book was pretty unhelpful as far as anatomy went, and as for the other things it talked about, they were useful to the point where I learned enough to be able to reject them. It was more of an informator on how it's usually done, but describing production of rather bland kind of comics.
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Postby Aiken on Mon Oct 16, 2006 11:58 am

All I could find was "How to Draw Manga" which I bought for my son


I find how to draw manga pretty Indispensable myself, not a week goes by when im not using guns and military, or bodies and anatomy for reference.

I have seen "how to draw comics the marvel way" in the ottakar's near where i live, im sure any good bookshop would be able to order it for you.
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Postby Laemkral on Mon Oct 16, 2006 12:01 pm

Yeah, any muscle mag like Men's Health or weightlifting would definitely show in exaggeration how muscles are attached to the body and move across the skeleton.

Really, the best way to learn to draw people is to draw real people. I'm not an artist, but that's my understanding on how to do anything. The best way to learn and improve is to do it with real world situations.

That's why human models work so well, cause they aren't always super toned and can be quite normal. If I remember right, some of the people on the forums have volunteered in the past to be used as models.
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Postby Kisai on Mon Oct 16, 2006 3:29 pm

Kisai wrote:Partially inspired by how MnM draw chibi's, should be easy to identify who is who.

EDIT: Drawn only on the tablet, I'm trying to learn to draw on the tablet.

:D *adds to a folder of mcDuffies drawn by different people*

I didn't use any reference for the chibi's, but didn't commit a huge amount of time either.

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When I was a teen I had a book called "How to Draw Comics the Marvel Way"... I found that very helpful when doodling in mathclass. I wish I had it now!

All I learned from that book was that some people who are not me can draw figures by starting off with a series of tubes (humans = internet?). The book was pretty unhelpful as far as anatomy went, and as for the other things it talked about, they were useful to the point where I learned enough to be able to reject them. It was more of an informator on how it's usually done, but describing production of rather bland kind of comics.


There are various ways of drawing, it all depends on what you want the final outcome to be. If you want something realistic, then taking into account the bones and muscles is a must, otherwise it's plastic. Something anime styled, with the oversized heads and eyes isn't easier, since it takes understanding proportion. Human and human-like creatures can normally be stretched vertically or horizontally and still look "right" as long as various ratios are obeyed. Like on a real person, their elbows, navel and bottom of their rib cage all line up when standing straight (exception being people with dwarfism, which their arms vary in lenght). The nose is the very center of a head, but peoples eyes are different depths and shapes.

It's sometimes harder to draw something with LESS detail, than more. With more detail, you have to follow rules to make things look right, but with less detail, you have to decide what details are necessary and what is overkill. It would look really silly to have a realistic face and a beanbag for a body right?
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Postby McDuffies on Mon Oct 16, 2006 3:50 pm

There are various ways of drawing, it all depends on what you want the final outcome to be. If you want something realistic, then taking into account the bones and muscles is a must, otherwise it's plastic. Something anime styled, with the oversized heads and eyes isn't easier, since it takes understanding proportion. Human and human-like creatures can normally be stretched vertically or horizontally and still look "right" as long as various ratios are obeyed. Like on a real person, their elbows, navel and bottom of their rib cage all line up when standing straight (exception being people with dwarfism, which their arms vary in lenght). The nose is the very center of a head, but peoples eyes are different depths and shapes.

I always figure, you have to know rules to know how to break them. So an artist needs to know basis of anatomy in order to draw even grotesque characters, because then he knows which elements of realistic he needs to keep in order for his drawing to be actually reckognizable as human. Such book, it bothers me, doesn't learn anyone anatomy. It takes work of previous artists, results with which they came by simplifying anatomy, and presents to readers that simplification instead of incouraging them to find their own. I know they're trying to present easier way to learn decent drawing (and I know hor a fact that in some cases, that method has given fair results), but it's kind of like learning how to draw exclusively by tracing some other comic artist instead of drawing from life or photo reference.

It's sometimes harder to draw something with LESS detail, than more. With more detail, you have to follow rules to make things look right, but with less detail, you have to decide what details are necessary and what is overkill. It would look really silly to have a realistic face and a beanbag for a body right?

But of course, stylised drawing takes more creativity than realistic (even if realistic takes more craft) because there's much more that artist has to fogure out for himself instead of taking from nature.
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Postby The Neko on Mon Oct 16, 2006 4:27 pm

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Postby CaptainClaude on Mon Oct 16, 2006 5:32 pm

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Postby Black Sparrow on Mon Oct 16, 2006 6:40 pm

The internet needs more elephant gore.
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Postby 834n on Mon Oct 16, 2006 6:48 pm

I approve of that elephant gore.
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Postby LibertyCabbage on Mon Oct 16, 2006 6:53 pm

Hey, wait! I thought Gore was a Democrat!
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Postby Kisai on Mon Oct 16, 2006 11:36 pm

More chibi's, should be obvious who and what it's inspired by.
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Postby Legendary on Mon Oct 16, 2006 11:44 pm

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Postby Linkara on Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:15 am

Kisai wrote:More chibi's, should be obvious who and what it's inspired by.


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