Bus Fight in Gilbert, Arizona.

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She should have said, “You’re not allowed off the bus at this time.” Then the kid could have gotten off the bus or stayed, and the driver would have been clear of reprimand regardless. It’s policy (or it was when I was a turd) to keep your students on the bus until you’ve reached their stop or their legal guardian is there to escort them off, but physically restraining them to adhere to this rule is not standard protocol. A teacher or educator or a body employed with public education can enforce regulations and can defend themselves against potential violence, but they can’t grab kids or bar them from trying to get off a school bus, let alone strike them. Not to sound like I enjoy the occasional Budweiser, but I would be fucking pissed if a teacher or a bus driver handled my daughter in such a way. If I’d been the driver I certainly would have had the common sense and the self-preserving proclivity to NOT muscle some kid on my bus and take her cell phone. If my supervisor threatened to fire me if I’d let her go, I would’ve said, “I told her not to get off the bus, that she wasn’t allowed. She got off anyway. What else do you want?” I know, I should have maced the impish upstart. Look... people just shouldn’t come to blows over things like this. It’s going to happen anyway and I’m a sniveling hippy for saying it, but please... some guy killed a fireman in a Wendy’s yesterday. His wife and his kid were outside. I’m just so tired of things like this sometimes. It’s probably why I’m so apathetic and cynical... still pulls at my guts every now and then, though.

Addendum: And yeah, smacking a kid sometimes is alright, your OWN kid, at least... but that doesn't always make it the best policy or the wisest choice. Sometimes I needed to be spanked, and it happened, and later I realized that in the right context those happenings helped me learn how to behave or correct any gross indulgences of my character. A parent can abuse this responsibility, though, something my father experienced and was the result of him refusing to physically discipline the three of us, leaving such things to my mom. My father's father would whip the snot out of him, and it made him feel small, helpless, even resentful towards his elder. He remembered what being hit made him feel like, so he couldn't bring himself to hit us. He had much, MUCH more effective disciplinary techniques, like once he broke down and cried in front of us because we weren't getting along. He said he was disappointed in me. I did not so much as make one slight ribbing remark to either of my brother for months. This isn't personal bullshit I'm throwing out to derail the conversation; it's just an example of how hitting your kid isn't always right, though we may find it the easiest form of discipline because of its instant affect.
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Pravus wrote:Both really. Music recording has improved a lot, but the clarity of everything now seems to take out the....edginess of it. It's kind of like a kitchen knife without blood on it. And as instruments become more based on a techno sound, it brings a bit of gaudiness and popiness that just makes everything sound the same, at least to me. Also, I think our gen is gonna fuck up the world. ya for us.
I prefer my kitchen knives without blood on them. If they have blood on them, it is probably mine.

It's true that recorded music doesn't have the vibrancy of live music, but it's not the fault of clarity. It's more the modern recording techniques and the recording process itself to blame. A lot of it has to do with the use of digital recording techniques, which aren't bad but can easily be abused. Digital sounds colder, which is why I believe you feel it's more technoish, but using tapes and tubes the sound will be warmer. That's a rough guide to recording techniques.

The recording process is all about precision. It's very hard to be precise while rocking out. Live, you can adjust and play off other people, but recordings don't adjust. The musicians may have thirty takes of the same song, but the bland on is the one that makes the cut. It doesn't have the immediacy that it does live, but it's the one the band screwed up the least on.

I'd check out Steve Albini who is known for just recording bands, and as Tangywolf suggested, lo-fi bands. For starters, Guided by Voices is basically the prototype of the whole movement. GBV's masterpiece is Bee Thousand, and it needs to be in the correct order or it won't make any sense. Not that is will make sense, but it's better in liner order.

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I really don't like to type a lot in the morning, so I'll just say that that makes sense to me. Thanky you, I'm going to go listen to Bowie....
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Tentoumushi wrote:Bottom line though, if it were me, I woulda beat the crap out of that emo little girl. I have 0 tollerence for disrespectful little pricks who think they're better than me just becuase mommy bought them cell phones and fancy crap.
What, you want to acquire a criminal record saying you beat up a minor? :-?

Children and teenagers often test where the limits of acceptable behaviour go. It's part of growing up and learning to deal with other people. Responding to that with physical violence is a bad idea. (Heck, in these parts it's illegal.)

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Getting punched in the mouth when they step over the line is a learning experience too.

The bus driver would have been charged with assault on a minor if he had hit the girl.

This reminds me of the end of Super Troopers where they show Farva getting beat up by the kids on the bus. :D

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Paul Escobar wrote:
Tentoumushi wrote:Bottom line though, if it were me, I woulda beat the crap out of that emo little girl. I have 0 tollerence for disrespectful little pricks who think they're better than me just becuase mommy bought them cell phones and fancy crap.
What, you want to acquire a criminal record saying you beat up a minor? :-?

Children and teenagers often test where the limits of acceptable behaviour go. It's part of growing up and learning to deal with other people. Responding to that with physical violence is a bad idea. (Heck, in these parts it's illegal.)
I suppose in that situation I wouldn't but man would I want to. I think if it were in say, random place on street where I don't have to worry about loosing job I'd pop her right in the mouth. There was a little kid in the office the other day who's mother just let him run around, break things, and etc. Everyone in the office wanted to kick that kid down the steps.
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That there is bad parenting, and perhaps that's the root of the whole problem. But discipline your kids and they call child abuse on you.
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I believe in Nihilism......April Fools!!
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