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Postby Michelle on Fri Aug 17, 2001 1:31 am

You let reality boss you around too much, CDC. If your reality was real, then the scientists would find some way to explain it. Or you could just call it a strange and abnormal phenomenom, or "magic". <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/wink.gif"><P>You'll have to mess up all the stuff if you work around reality... <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/frown.gif"><P>------------------
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Postby Raincoatjones on Fri Aug 17, 2001 4:24 am

two words: "Ludicrous Speed"
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Postby Flunx on Fri Aug 17, 2001 4:50 am

I'd have to say that if it takes time away from drawing LoF, please dont do it.<P>As for my understanding of faster than light travel: I thought that it is possible to travel faster then light, just not at the speed of light. So therefore a traditional model of accelleration won't work because you would get stuck at the speed of light. However if you could somehow jump past the speed of light without actually traveling at the speed of light everything would be hunky-doory. Except forthe passage of time thing. But I'm not a physicist so I'm probably talking out of my rear end.<P>Some web sites you might want to read:
<A HREF="http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/gr/gr.html" TARGET=_blank>http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/gr/gr.html</A>
<A HREF="http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/FTL.html" TARGET=_blank>http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/FTL.html</A> <A HREF="http://www.physics.purdue.edu/~hinson/ftl/" TARGET=_blank>http://www.physics.purdue.edu/~hinson/ftl/</A>
<A HREF="http://www.sciam.com/askexpert/physics/physics57/physics57.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.sciam.com/askexpert/physics/physics57/physics57.html</A> <P>You might also want to hit <A HREF="http://www.google.com" TARGET=_blank>Google</A> to find out more.
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Postby Franc28 on Fri Aug 17, 2001 7:07 am

Star Trek goes around that by inventing a phenomenon of "mass-lightening". You can also use wormholes (artificial or natural), or any other kind of transportation which might sound plausible. Hey, it's fiction after all <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/smile.gif">
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Postby Dedos on Fri Aug 17, 2001 7:22 am

"it's a comicstrip!", "No one gives a damn!", "Get a life!", "You're pathetic, dude", "Want me to give you a good whack on the head?"<P>Take your pick.<P>But seriously, you have to pick some sort of Faster Than Light means of transport, be it warp (plain ol' FTL - Einstein be damned.. after all relativity is still only theory) or wormhole (just bypass space altogether). Either way (or any I missed) doesn't really bother <I>me</I>. ^-^<P><P>------------------
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Postby MechaDuckso on Sat Aug 18, 2001 8:02 am

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Postby Michelle on Sat Aug 18, 2001 8:42 am

I was going to type out useful bits of information for your problem from my textbook, but just reading it make my head hurt...<P>Can't you just make it like a really long war? <P>------------------
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Postby Q99 on Sun Aug 19, 2001 1:04 am

I see two possibility.<P>One. Using acceleration , you can go to several galaxies in under 300 years. Unfortunatly , due to relativity , it's only 300 years from the point of view of the people traveling , and several million years pass. This is the 'long war' version , but if <I>everyone</I> from all the involved galaxies does this , it won't seem so long.<P>Two. It <I>is</I> possible in the laws of physics to get to one place faster than going the speed of light would , it just requires some creative methods of travel. Bending space to create a shortcut is a good way of doing it (See the move Event Horizon for an explination) , for one example. Or you can make your own supporting advanced physics to explain it , as Orsen Scott Card did in the latter books of the Ender series. Of course , the thing about these forms of travel , is that <I>all</I> distances can be traversed in an instant , so that can create some other problems with a story.<P>The Star Trek 'we can bend space but still accelerate and the trip takes time' is just silly in my opinion.
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Postby Kojini on Sun Aug 19, 2001 6:02 am

Hmm, well maybe you could use a sci-fi theory I just now thought of.<P>An ansible is a device which contain's half a photon and is connected to another. The special thing about them is that no matter how far apart the are, when one photon is moved, the other moves instantly in the opposite direction. Scientists have called the invisible tether that connects them philotes.<P>Now, Orson Scott Card either expanded on this or used another source, but said that all things were composed of philotes, or something like that. Now then, my theory is that the aliens could use a device to render themselves into a purely philotic state, and then connect to a section on the tether on the ansible. There section would be severed, causing snapping them to the other side, and then use another device to render them back into a physical form. The tether would then repair itself to be used again by the next group.<P>I don't know, it's just something I came up with just now.
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Postby THE guy on Sun Aug 19, 2001 9:20 am

Science talk..... my head hurts......
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Postby Stig Hemmer on Sun Aug 19, 2001 11:58 am

"Hi, I'm not a physicist, but I play one on the 'Net."<P>To the best of our current knowledge, Faster Than Light travel or communication is impossible. Our knowledge in this matters are probably right, but we can never be totally certain.<P>BUT: Science Fiction would be pretty boring without it. Almost nobody would ever leave their home planet, interstellar empires just wouldn't be possible. Heck, trying to rule Mars from Earth would be hard!<P>Mind you, some authors have been able to create interesting stories in such an environment, but Life On Forbez isn't such a story.<P>Consider this:<P>While at home, Nok sees a job advertised on Forbez. By the time she sees it, the advert is a few decades old. More decades pass as she applies for the job, gets a positive response and travels there.<P>By this time, the job has been open for maybe a hundred years. Don't you think they would rather have hired a local?<P>The previous assumes that Nordia and Forbez are practically next-door neighbours... if they were far apart, we could be talking about <I>millions</I> of years.<P>The whole premise of LoF demands that you can travel faster than light. The short war would be the least of your troubles.<P>So, sit back, state that "In this universe, which is my creation, people know how to travel faster than light. End Of Discussion."<P>None of your characters are likely to know anything about the nuts and bolts of interstellar travel, so you don't have to say <I>anything</I> about how it works. Just postulate that it is possible.<P>------------------
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Postby Psychohobbit on Wed Aug 22, 2001 8:50 am

four words "beam me up scotty."
but i like the bop you on the head idea to.
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Postby ZOMBIE USER 4659 on Wed Aug 22, 2001 10:37 am

Why does it really matter to have all the scientific facts straight? Really now, thats just stupid to think you could do a sci-fi story (which, lets face it, this is) that has all the facts completly correct. You have to bend (and more often then not) break scientific "rules" and "imposibilities" to tell a good sci-fi story.
Aslong as you tell a good story who cares what a few book smart geeks thinks. What are they gonna do? Write angry letters? Oh heaven forbid we get some angry letters! I certainly don't care, just use that "worm hole" idea thingy to satisfy them and get on with things, don't stress on the little details.<P>------------------
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Postby ZOMBIE USER 4659 on Wed Aug 22, 2001 10:41 am

Why does it really matter to have all the scientific facts straight? Really now, thats just stupid to think you could do a sci-fi story (which, lets face it, this is) that has all the facts completly correct. You have to bend (and more often then not) break scientific "rules" and "imposibilities" to tell a good sci-fi story.
Aslong as you tell a good story who cares what a few book smart geeks thinks. What are they gonna do? Write angry letters? Oh heaven forbid we get some angry letters! I certainly don't care, just use that "worm hole" idea thingy to satisfy them and get on with things, don't stress on the little details.<P>------------------
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Postby ZOMBIE USER 4659 on Wed Aug 22, 2001 10:49 am

Why does it really matter to have all the scientific facts straight? Really now, thats just stupid to think you could do a sci-fi story (which, lets face it, this is) that has all the facts completly correct. You have to bend (and more often then not) break scientific "rules" and "imposibilities" to tell a good sci-fi story.
Aslong as you tell a good story who cares what a few book smart geeks thinks. What are they gonna do? Write angry letters? Oh heaven forbid we get some angry letters! I certainly don't care, just use that "worm hole" idea thingy to satisfy them and get on with things, don't stress on the little details.<P>------------------
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Postby Psychohobbit on Thu Aug 23, 2001 9:05 am

i'm interested in your ideas i was at one time a big sci-fi geek now im just the regular kind.
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Postby ZOMBIE USER 4659 on Thu Aug 23, 2001 11:20 am

Why does it really matter to have all the scientific facts straight? Really now, thats just stupid to think you could do a sci-fi story (which, lets face it, this is) that has all the facts completly correct. You have to bend (and more often then not) break scientific "rules" and "imposibilities" to tell a good sci-fi story.
Aslong as you tell a good story who cares what a few book smart geeks thinks. What are they gonna do? Write angry letters? Oh heaven forbid we get some angry letters! I certainly don't care, just use that "worm hole" idea thingy to satisfy them and get on with things, don't stress on the little details.<P>------------------
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Postby ZOMBIE USER 4659 on Thu Aug 23, 2001 11:24 am

Why does it really matter to have all the scientific facts straight? Really now, thats just stupid to think you could do a sci-fi story (which, lets face it, this is) that has all the facts completly correct. You have to bend (and more often then not) break scientific "rules" and "imposibilities" to tell a good sci-fi story.
Aslong as you tell a good story who cares what a few book smart geeks thinks. What are they gonna do? Write angry letters? Oh heaven forbid we get some angry letters! I certainly don't care, just use that "worm hole" idea thingy to satisfy them and get on with things, don't stress on the little details.<P>------------------
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Postby Dewrf on Thu Aug 23, 2001 11:47 am

Wow masive multy post there :'/ a lot of them around nowadays hmmm<P>Anyhow CDC i have err a few theries on how you can violate space and time to travel great distances with out taking uch time :'/<P>So if you want to hear them just say so...err there kinda long so i wonent post them if noones going to read them k :'|<P>Or i'll post them if anyone othere than CDC is interested k.
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Postby Dewrf on Thu Aug 23, 2001 11:50 am

Wow masive multy post there :'/ a lot of them around nowadays hmmm<P>Anyhow CDC i have err a few theries on how you can violate space and time to travel great distances with out taking uch time :'/<P>So if you want to hear them just say so...err there kinda long so i wonent post them if noones going to read them k :'|<P>Or i'll post them if anyone othere than CDC is interested k.
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