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THE guy · Post by **THE guy** » Sun Oct 22, 2000 12:03 am

personally i like return of the jedi the best. but i've got to agree with you on episode one. what was he smoking when he thought of that?

Kakkarotto · Post by **Kakkarotto** » Sun Oct 22, 2000 2:25 am

I like Return Of The Jedi the best.

Damonk13 · Post by **Damonk13** » Sun Oct 22, 2000 10:41 am

count me in for Empire, then A New Hope, Then RotJ, and then that OTHER one, whatever it was... (or was it just a bad dream??)------------------
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Magicide · Post by **Magicide** » Mon Oct 23, 2000 8:20 am

I liked all of the original trilogy... I prefer the original Empire Strikes Back though.. Seeing the Executor crash into the Death Star almost makes it Jedi, but it's not quite enough. I wish someone could pay Lucas to step back from Star Wars though.. his wish to make money (Jar Jar) is going to ruin the story. Think about it. In 20 years (or even 2) will you want to look back on Phantom Menace? Sub-Par to say the least..

Penny · Post by **Penny** » Mon Oct 23, 2000 11:36 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by cdc:
Boring Sunday afternoon so gonna pick a topic out of the ol' sci-fi/fantasy hat..Since StarWars is a huge influence on the strip (well duh).... which do you think is the best StarWars flick? Personally I think Empire Strikes Back was the best. It certainly has the best storyline out of the four that were made. And some very memoriable scenes and lines.Phantom Menace and Return of the Jedi rank as my least favourite. Very empty films. Is Lucas still writing and directing episode 2? Ugh. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Penny · Post by **Penny** » Mon Oct 23, 2000 11:40 am

Oops. That didn't come out right at all. All right, I'll try again, and if this doesn't work I'm taking my mouse and going home: "Empire" good. "Jedi" bad. All else is open to debate.

Spackle · Post by **Spackle** » Tue Oct 24, 2000 2:29 am

the only one worth beans was A New Hope (based on a Kurosawa story!)

Flunx · Post by **Flunx** » Tue Oct 24, 2000 4:58 am

I cast my vote for Empire as the best but I don't dislike the others. And as for Jar Jar, I read a page that compared SW to old samurai movies that Lucas has admitted to using as source material. They figured that Jar Jar was going to sacrifice himself in the end, much like Toshiro Mifune's character in Seven Samurai (he starts out as comic relief but turns out to be the most noble of the lot). So I'll wait and see where Lucas will take the character before I pass judgement on him.

Flux · Post by **Flux** » Tue Oct 24, 2000 6:02 am

I have to agree on "the empire strikes back" being the best of the SW movies. My favourite scenes are from "Return of the Jedi" and "episode 1" though. From ROTJ: the space battle at the end of the movie, 16 years old, still the best filmed space battle in history.
From E1: the lightsaber duel, that looks just great.Gijs

Pikel · Post by **Pikel** » Tue Oct 24, 2000 7:26 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by cdc:
I wanted so much to like episode one. When I first learned that Lucas would write and direct it, and that Natalie Portman and Liam Neeson would be in it, and John William would compose the music again, I had extremely high hopes for it. Even the trailers made me think it would be a pretty damn good movie. Boy was I wrong. If Lucas wrote and directed A New Hope the same way he wrote and directed Phantom, there would be no StarWars franchise today...oh well.. everyone reaches a peak eventually. I can't completely knock Lucas since I got so much inspiration from him in the past (and still do). Hopefully he'll see what was wrong with Ep1 and make a better sequel.. (he surprised everyone with Empire, let's hope he surprises everyone again with ep2 <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/smile.gif">)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>EH, I can't see that happening, I sooo HOPE he does, but I don't expect it...I heard an interview with, uh, one of the guys who helped make it (he was in charge of something, can't remember what :-/), and he considered Ep1 a huge success, the interviewer was trying to tell him tactfully that most of the Lucas fans hated it, and he responded with the fact that it did so well at the box office, and that it was aimed at 8-10 yr olds, so you couldn't expect too much of a plot/character development.anyone else see the obvious problem with the second point?

DeosArcana · Post by **DeosArcana** » Wed Nov 01, 2000 4:00 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Zeus Legion:
I understand where Lucas and his buddies are saying aboutit being aimed at 8-10 year olds. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>So do I, but he did it in a sloppy manner that utterly destroyed any significance it could have had on future generations. The reason people have loved Star Wars for as far back as it has been around is the sheer grit of the story. Star Wars 1-3 didn't pull any punches, people died, planets were destroyed, oppression and hatred existed everywhere. The hero wasn't perfect, not just because he was young, but because he had obvious flaws, flaws that you could relate to. When Luke cried out in anguish that Vader simply COULDN'T be his father, you were right there alongside him, cheering him on. The moment he looked at his father's severed hand, and then at his own robotic one, you too realized that he had slipped towards the Dark Side. The movies were subtle when they needed to be, obvious when necessary, and they were still entertaining. (Who didn't love the witty banter between Han and Leia?) The only complaints I had was of the Ewoks in the last movie. Though I enjoyed them the first time through, on reflection is seems a bit foolish that little teddy bears could defeat armed soldiers.
The original 3 were movies that didn't care if you were young or old, they hit you hard and fast with adult themes and concepts, leaving you dizzy, but still able to cope with what was going on. Episode 1 was a childish attempt to pander to the lowest common denominator (The Pod Races and Jar Jar Binks just to name two instances) and didn't even bother to back-up its adult moments with any explanations. (Yoda's denial of Anakin's acceptance was met with a shrug and an 'Oh well, guess I'll teach him myself) The movie failed to deliver consistently in either field. Was it a kid's movie pretending to be an adult, or a mature film exercising its childish side? It failed both children and adults alike. The movie's adult themes would leave some children in the dark, and the childish moments left the more adult fans totally disgusted. In the end, I was disappointed with Episode 1, because though it was beautiful visually, it had no real content. It was a few poignant moments with twenty or more minutes of filler in between. BTW, I too loved the light-saber scene. Points to the choreography and skill of the actors involved. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I'll also give Lucas a break on the first one since he hasn't been directly involved in SW in 16 years. I have extremely high hopes Episode 2 will be the best yet and from the info I've gathered, it very well might be. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Lucas shouldn't be directing period. He didn't direct the first two, and they were the best of the series. He directed Return of the Jedi and what do we get? Ewoks! A pointless attempt at commercialism. (Remember the cartoons? I've been trying to forget!) Lucas should leave the directing to those with more experience and do what he does best...Brainstorm concepts and advertise. He's a man who is trying to be something he isn't, and we're all suffering for it.------------------
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Zeus Legion · Post by **Zeus Legion** » Wed Nov 01, 2000 12:21 pm

At first, I hated Episode I. Bow that I have it on VHS and have watched it several times, I'm more of the mind that it wasn't complete crap. I understand where Lucas and his buddies are saying aboutit being aimed at 8-10 year olds. I remember being in line for A New Hope in 1977 at the age of 4. It is perhaps my earliest memory. I've been hooked ever since and draw heavily on the SW films in my own work. I'm sure Lucasfilm wanted to give today's kids a memory like that but they didn't do enough to satisfy us older fans (although the lightsaber battle blows away anything in the other 3 films).I'll also give Lucas a break on the first one since he hasn't been directly involved in SW in 16 years. I have extremely high hopes Episode 2 will be the best yet and from the info I've gathered, it very well might be.Z

Pikel · Post by **Pikel** » Fri Nov 03, 2000 9:24 am

hmm, when you say you like the lightsaber fights, do you mean the Jedi's vs the droids, or the Jedi's vs Darth Maul, cos I sorta liked the former, but the latter was pathetic.

Wafuru · Post by **Wafuru** » Sat Nov 04, 2000 2:46 am

Hmm....
*risks doom and destruction*Star Wars is okay.. but honestly, I prefer Star Trek. = )*runs off, dodging thrown stuff* <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspace.com/forums/wink.gif">------------------
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DeosArcana · Post by **DeosArcana** » Sat Nov 04, 2000 7:59 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Wafuru:

Star Wars is okay.. but honestly, I prefer Star Trek. = )
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Well, the problem with comparing Star Trek to Star Wars is that you CAN'T compare them.Take this into account :1) Star Wars was a movie Trilogy, Star Trek is a TV series.The greatest difference here is the fact that Star Trek is an ongoing series, characters don't need to be established in mere minutes, entire episodes can be devoted to enhancing the plot and developing character. Star Wars was 3 different 2 hour movies, therefore characters had to be established quickly, plot had to be rushed through, and the facts were shot out at you hard and fast. Star Wars was great for what it was...a Movie, but I find it unlikely that it could have sustained itself as a television series the way Star Trek does (And sometimes even Star Trek doesn't support itself, can you say 'Voyager?')2) Star Wars follows a small group of characters, Star Trek spans an entire Universe.Another telling difference is that the cast of Star Wars is SIGNIFICANTLY smaller than Star Trek. You can count the number of major characters on one hand : Luke, Leia and Han Solo. Chewbacca isn't a major character because he has no real personality, he's a glorified extra (Granted he's an amazing extra, but an extra nonetheless). Star Trek can devote episodes to the Captain, the First Officer, the Doctor, the rookie character (Wesley, Harry Kim, or Jake Sisko, don't know any in ST: The Original), or maybe just focus on no-name characters. Star Trek can invent a character to fit any situation, Star Wars had to focus everything on the Terrific Trio of theirs.3) Star Wars was done 30 years ago, Star Trek is fairly recent.Aside from The Original Series, Star Trek has only had a shelf-life of about 10+ years, going back to the Next Generation, DS9 and Voyager. Therefore, Star Trek utilizes better special effects, has a longer span, and can generally be aimed to please just about anyone. There are hundreds of hours of Trek. There are only 6 hours or so of Star Wars(8 with Ep 1). Therefore, Star Trek can be varied and interesting, whereas Star Wars is known only for what it presented to begin with.Those are only a few points of difference between the two. You can love Star Wars and hate Trek, love Trek but hate Star Wars, or like me you can love them both, but keep them separate. Any way you look at them, comparing the two is a criminal injustice to the masterful creations of two great men (Roddenberry and Lucas).------------------
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Valk · Post by **Valk** » Sat Nov 04, 2000 8:53 am

Empire Strikes Back for me was my fave. Although I did like the original alot too. In my beleif those two are the more true to form Star Wars. Since then, it's gone down hill...Jedi Will suffer from the Ewoks. Wasn't bad otherwise.Ep 1 was a modern franchised movie. It was aimed to sell. It will not be a classic, despite a great lightsaber duel. It will not be a classic, despite Liam Neisen (Is that how it's spelt?). It will be the forgotten one I hope, because I for one am hoping that they get it right with Ep 2.

DeosArcana · Post by **DeosArcana** » Sat Nov 04, 2000 11:05 am

Jedi vs. Maul attack. The guy who does Maul (Forget his name) is a very limber and athletic guy, really knows his stuff. The droid fights were ok, but for the most part it was hack and slash all the way. the fight between the Jedis and Maul had some serious acrobatics involved in it.------------------
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Stig Hemmer · Post by **Stig Hemmer** » Sat Nov 04, 2000 11:13 am

Ah... Star Wars... the original three were awesome, the Phantom Menace should never have happened.Now, that said, what does people think about the original three vs the new "Computerized Remake"?Personally I think the remaking removed more than it added. Computer graphics isn't quite good enough yet to go the distance, and the result disrupted at least my suspension of disbelief.The original wasn't as impressive, but what was there was more believable.------------------
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Pikel · Post by **Pikel** » Sun Nov 05, 2000 7:49 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by DeosArcana:
Jedi vs. Maul attack. The guy who does Maul (Forget his name) is a very limber and athletic guy, really knows his stuff. The droid fights were ok, but for the most part it was hack and slash all the way. the fight between the Jedis and Maul had some serious acrobatics involved in it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>athletic? yes, definatly, have any previous 'swordfighting' experience? I doubt it.I mean, I know I don't know much about swordfighting, all I've ever seen has been from other movies, but it just looked like some idiot doing flashy aerobics moves that don't do squat, not to mention his silly weapon, arg.
oh yer, chewbacca rocked =]
I mean, that was the biggest problem for me, the characters, oh, and the lines, and the action, oh, and the plot, hmm, I guess it all sucked.

Flunx · Post by **Flunx** » Mon Nov 06, 2000 6:34 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Pikel:
 athletic? yes, definatly, have any previous 'swordfighting' experience? I doubt it.I mean, I know I don't know much about swordfighting, all I've ever seen has been from other movies, but it just looked like some idiot doing flashy aerobics moves that don't do squat, not to mention his silly weapon, arg.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Speaking as someone who actually practices swordfighting all I can say about Ray Park (Darth Maul) is, "Holy sh*t". He is very, very good. Obi-wan was the one who was doing the flashy acrobatics, and almost got killed several times while doing it. Qui-Gon (sp?) had to save Obi-wan's butt several times. What you perceved as flashy acrobatics on Darth Mauls part was perfectly executed manuvering for position and space (he was out numbered 2 to 1 and his weapon requires space to be used effectivly in double ended mode). Normally I wince during swordfights in movies and TV shows but I was captivated by the ones in Ep1.